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This isn't really news at all. It's the guardian regurgitating prior news to make money and HN posting it to re-explain what we all already know and agree upon. I hope the next story on the NSA involves someone inventing something to fix our problems. The best news I read all day was: https://gnunet.org

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You're wrong. It is important to write and talk about it. The NYT story has the biggest claims up to now and it appears that it was almost ignored by everybody (I guess it's because the story comes from the unnamed "government official" instead of the out-of-the-real-life-thriller-is-he-hero-or-antihero Snowden).

It is extremely important to concentrate on up to now the most dramatic information. Discuss, write, ask.

Yea it's a shame that Snowden risked so much just so that a newspaper could rewrite the same story 50 times. We could use more leaks and less grandstanding and posturing.

It's completely not the same story. NYT's "unnamed government official" claims much more than any other story explicitly claimed before. Have you tried to comprehend and compare? Guardian was able to show that UK services collect everything it goes through their nodes, nobody up to 8.8.2013 was able to say so about US, especially not that all the data are automatically searched through, including those of US citizens, theoretically protected by the Constitution.

How can we expand the debate beyond the HN community & Grauniad readership? Perhaps an ad campaign?

If the ad campaign isn't online, then would be good. I think the problem is that the tech savvy people all mostly agree (on some level), but that the non-technical people are not aware of the full context, the risks, etc., and they're not easily reached via the Internet (which is probably not coincidence). My $.02, make a protest sign, and go out a hold it somewhere. People will approach you and talk to you, and you can have a discussion with them like we have on HN everyday. Those people love debate, and they'll listen, and they'll probably go engage others intelligently too.

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