I wasn't disagreeing with your point; I don't even care about your point because it's as misplaced as the OP's. You're both self selecting companies you think are cool and then noting the pattern of real world vs not as if such a self selected list is in any way representative and not purely selection bias. It's silly, you see what you want to see based on a self selected list of "cool companies". It doesn't teach me anything of value.
> Debating what is or what isn't a startup is not as valuable.
Says who? It's valuable to me, I'm tired of seeing everyone call every damn company a startup cause it isn't so. A startup is a company looking for a viable business model who's still burning cash looking. It's not a profitable business who's been around for years. Making that distinction, while a side tangent, is worth making.
You don't get to tell me which part of a conversation I find interesting enough to engage on. That's my decision.