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> Ubuntu is developed in the open

Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.

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There is no "right" free software/open source spirit of community involvement. It begins and ends with the licenses used, full stop. Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects. If they don't like it, they can fork it thanks to the licensing, but even when that happens it doesn't mean that the original maintainers were somehow less free software/open source.

"Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects."

You have a right to say whatever you want.

Of course it's not developed 100% entirely in the open and with "spirit of community". Name one company that meets this standard.

Mozilla.

Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.

Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.

Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.

If the posts have to be approved by mods, they're not doing a very good job:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.fir...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform...

On another project I'm involved in, I've seen Google Groups decide that legitimate posts are spam. Not sure if that's what's happening here, but it's a possibility.

Firefox-dev is definitely moderated. I've experienced it recently.

Debian

It's not a company.

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