I notice OKCupid still uses JavaScript. Just sayin'.
Richard Wagner was an anti-semite. I see nothing contradictory about enjoying his music while also thinking that (if he was still alive) he shouldn't run an organisation of musicians which has Jewish members. (To be clear: I'm not saying I necessarily hold that position wrt Eich, just that contrary to the parent's implication, it isn't a hypocritical position to hold).
I won't presume to second-guess OKC's motives, and I'm glad they took some sort of stand for the LGBT community, but I think they ultimately alienated their users.
Has California divided into two tribes (from the relatively evenly split referendum) where everyone in one tribe is calling the other tribe bigots? And is that a reasonable way to view the world (now multiple years afterwards)?
Edit: I forgot, of course, the big group that didn't vote at all.
And who is the "we" who gets to decide what is agreeable? No, I don't agree with the view behind Prop 8, but neither am I comfortable drawing such a line. To me, drawing such a line is equivalent to Prop 8 in the first place.
Mozilla's mission has nothing to do with gay rights, it's all about what the web should look like. Eich's opinion on gay marriage is immaterial to his work as CEO.
Now, it just so happen that there's a far few queer and ally Mozillians. If Eich's personal opinion were to extend into company policy about those people (or, in general, if his governance were to massively disagree with the company culture in any way), I'd question his fitness to lead. But coming from a company built on inclusiveness and tolerance, the shitstorm they're making about a member's personal opinions seems quite hypocritical, to be completely honest.
i'm pretty sure i have the right to protest what ever i want, regardless of how irrelevant my life problems may seem to you, and regardless of how easy it is for you to ascribe them all to matters of difference of opinion.
I think you're missing the bigger point here. There is one topic I definitely care about more than I do about gay marriage: The capacity to even discuss it, and the right to talk about and support that cause if I see fit. And this is very much a case of what's good for the goose is also good for the gander. If you're OK with blocking Eich's ascension to CEO due to his position, it's hard to justify how you'd then be against other people being blocked like this for holding unpopular opinions.
In my experience, stifling debate usually hurts minorities and makes it easier to maintain the status quo, so if you want to further a minority cause, you need to be able to have open discussion, so all in all I'd rather allow people to voice unpopular opinions — in some circles, I'll be the one doing it!
i was really not that upset about all this, until i read the interview today. he really turned out sleazy, equating himself with the future of Mozilla, hiding behind Indonesian people, proclaiming protests against Mozilla keeping him on as being anti-freedom... he truly came off bad.
edit: but it still kinda lingers, the question - does his behavior fit with Mozilla ideals?
"Either you are with us or against us" is a harmful doctrine.
i would not say that it is already won, though. only a minority of US states recognizes gay marriage, and over 70 countries (if i remember correctly) worldwide criminalize homosexuality. and even when it is won, it will still take time for the people affected by the discrimination to simply relax and transcend it all. i would certainly not expect, not even today, that a black person be all reconciliatory with someone supporting an interracial marriage ban... it just doesn't work that way.
and, no offense, but try to consider what it would like to be to walk in my shoes. it is very easy to give advice to other people about how they should handle such problems, but it can easily come across as condescending. all of us in the LGBT community think about and discuss these things A LOT. and what we won so far, we fought for it our way, in a way that we found to work.
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No, I do not recognize your assertion that there is a "reasonable" difference.
I think promoting him was a mistake; you don't. Such is life.
Green--on the other hand--is actively trying to tell his employees how to use their compensation given for the work they've done for him. Would Green reach into his employee's pockets and take out greenbacks if he knew they were being used to buy condoms and booze? The proposition is more likely than Eich discriminating against gays in his role at Mozilla.
If Eich has actively discriminated against employees at Mozilla, then yeah, he needs to be kicked out. Show me where that has happened. But what he does in his private life (that he didn't advertise, which makes this an excellent case study in the need for privacy-even-for-legal-activities) has no bearing.
But the fact that he's mentioning places like Indonesia and their anti-gay-marriage stance as a bolstering rationale worries me. Then again, I have very little skin in this game.
And no, we're not talking about whatever Mr Hobby Lobby does - because that's wholly irrelevant to this discussion about Eich and Mozilla.