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They have leaked it with Apple's warranty canary which was removed.

That definitely could imply they have received an NSL. But as a user, when I say "they would leak that they're fighting it", I would consider that completely insufficient. If they are pulling the kind of crap you say they are, then it will come out. Guaranteed. And then nobody, including me, will ever trust them again.

editing my comment since I can't reply to hellbanner: Percentage doesn't matter, it only takes one. One person to destroy a hundred billion dollar company overnight. I am not saying "Tim Cook can not possibly be lying." I am saying "If Tim Cook lied, he just made a hundred billion dollar bet that he can keep a secret." Personally, I doubt he's that dumb.

I'd love to believe that, but then: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rs... Plenty of people were furious with RSA over that, yet they still seem to be in business.

Then again, RSA isn't in the business of making consumer hardware. I'm not sure what difference to expect that to make.

Sadly I bet most people would just shrug and say "well they are doing it for our own good".

(Clarifying I'm understanding your position): You're assuming that there are enough % of Apple employees who would refuse secrecy bribes || fear individual NSLs to leak something in public in a situation where they don't fear for their safety?

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