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I've always gone thinkpad for Linux and never really been let down.

I got an M$ Surface Pro 3 last month (don't laugh) but its actually first rate, hardware wise.

Fedora doesn't quite work perfectly yet but its pretty close.

High DPI touch screens rock!

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I was also considering SP3 -- how does it fare with Linux? Have you encountered any particular difficulties?

you need to rebuild kernel to make the touch cover keyboard work.

no camera driver.

no os hibernation.

no bluetooth.

details here:

https://github.com/nuclearsandwich/surface3-archlinux

Can't take seriously anyone that types "M$". I know this kind of juvenile potshots are rampant in the Linux community, but it is time to grow up.

GP was complimenting M$. As for "growing up", it seems that the younger fanbois are more sensitive to a fairly innocuous shorthand than those of us who remember computing in the '90s.

I think this is probably because hackers in younger generations never experienced the beast that was Microsoft in the 90s and have seen the progression of MS as one from "company that makes boring and/or bad OS" to the embrace of FOSS that's been happening recently.

I'm personally super interested in tech and hacking history, so I've read all the war stories, the pleas on FOSS homepages, the rants on sites like jwz's, books like Microserfs, etc. But even the most talented hackers who are 16-24 right now probably see Microsoft as "the Xbox company."

Not true - 21 here, was only born in 1993. I'm aware of the disputes that have happened over time, especially arguments with Netscape / Jobs / etc. Microsoft has a pretty interesting and rich history, and I was extremely surprised about the recent open source announcements. I read somewhere they actually have an open source branch, it's just not widely talked about, mainly because Windows overshadows it.

I'm not trying to make an ultimatum - there will definitely be exceptions, as I pointed out myself. But if you ask around, most people in that demographic won't know about the story of MS, won't have seen stuff like the Gates deposition video, etc. The most you'll get is a vague notion of Microsoft being called evil by greybeards.

He was using a good product, yet had to lament the fact it was a Microsoft product.

And I am by no means fanboy or young. Just don't like silly potshots like that on any side.

>I know this kind of juvenile potshots are rampant in the Linux community, but it is time to grow up.

Maybe it's time to not get offended at someone's shorthand. No need to derail conversation in this way.

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