hah i am jealous of you both... i don't get the kickbacks, i just get one more team of consultants that i have to work with on every project who relish the tiny bit of authority they have now been granted (Message Broker team thinks they're hot shit cuz they are a bottleneck on every project & we can't revise our service interfaces without their permission).

Funny thing is, all the consultants who specialize in these products are awful pseudo-programmers & I end up bypassing their techs (WMB, BPM, etc.) with pure Java solutions whenever possible since the overhead of speaking to them creates like a 10x productivity loss. If the nosy busybodies (awful below average pseudo-programmers within our own group) didn't tattle to mgmt to help them reign us back in, the whole company would be none-the-wiser & we'd get work done at breakneck speed... ALL MOST OF US NEED IS A GODDAMN SPRING OR EE CONTAINER + THE JVM, hah.