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But LT hasn't achieved either half. It's not an innovative research project. And it's not a polished consumer product.

Did any of you guys even use Light Table. I bet you didn't as it did some pretty amazing stuff that no other IDE could touch!

Yes, I also dug into its codebase. Have you actually used Self for example?

I guess if you are trying to use Light Table as "the uber clojure IDE" then it was never a goal for Light Table. Intellij Cursive is probably a better editor for that. Light Table's aim was for a form of interactive programming. Anyway, using an editor as an end user is very different to just playing around with its source code, although I applaud that you have done that. I will look into "Self" some more as I don't know enough about it. Do you have some good links on Self to get me started?

http://www.selflanguage.org

You should watch the videos on the introduction page and play a bit with the system, it's interesting to see how much interactivity and liveliness was already achieved in the 80s/90s,

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