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Queue male rights activists to explain to us how this is all feminism's fault :/ Tragic, really. Things like this seem to obviously stem from patriarchy. But instead of dismantling patriarchy, a small group of men simply blame everything on feminists. Those feminists, how dare they fight for themselves before they have solved the problems of men! :D

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Interesting. You were the first to mention feminism, and created a straw man which you used to express your disdain for men's rights in general.

Tragic, really.

What's really tragic is that you don't have any actual reply, other than immediately resorting to such a condescending tone and deliberate misinterpretation of what I said.

I don't see anything feminism related in this article. Neither anyone blamed feminism (or women in general) in the comment section (as a time of writing). Sorry to disappoint you, but not all problems in the world are feminism related.

I actually think this is related to feminism - as I said, patriarchy is the common enemy here. And I may have mentioned feminism first. So? Is "feminism" a curse word now?

P.S. The way Hacker News is "moderated" sucks. It was really easily predictable that this would bring me downvotes, irrelevant of how well or poor it may have been written. Dissenting opinions have little place here.

Your opinion isn't dissent, it's the generally accepted view.

I am proud to have been the first to downvote him but I upvoted his response to you because you're wrong. I don't consider the time engaging him would take to be worth it but I disagree with it. I'm sympathetic to some of what some MRAs say but think some of them are vile people of the same ilk as Amanda Marcotte but on the other side. But the most important thing about MRA is that it's a movement doomed to fail because no one cares about men qua men. They might care about their personal friends and relatives but men as a group? No one cares. As such lift heavy, be awesome and deal with it as best you can.

This is pretty rude. You do know I can read your comment too? :D

> As such lift heavy,

Is this supposed to be a joke? That's really the best advice to deal with this situation that you have?

Whenever I see "start lifting", I can't decide if they really believe in it as a magic bullet or if they're taking the piss.

"This situation" is insoluble. As a man you just have to deal with it. That is all there is. Maybe one day family law in the USA and UK will be less one-sided but it will still be the case that no one gives a fucj about men qua men. You just have to keep going.

Run, lift, meditate, keep a gratitude journal but just keep going.

You expect someone else to fight your battles? Of course nobody cares. You have to make them care. It takes a lot of effort to get a message heard by people, to make any kind of change. A lot of work, and a lot of humiliation. If you don't want to do it, fine, but, as the (I think) Chinese saying says, the one who does not think it can be done should not be interrupting those doing it. (Well, not much is being done in this particular case, but I like the saying...)

Not here it isn't.

I'd say your comment was rightly downvoted because it was inflammatory, unsubstantive, and off topic. One needn't disagree with your views to see how that breaks the site guidelines.

That's naive.

Even when I'm not "inflammatory", I often get downvoted when I express viewpoints which are not exactly popular here. OTOH, I see comments, sometimes in reply to me, which are pure trolling, but nothing happens.

It's clear as day that the downvote is not used merely for moderating, many people who have the right use it to express disagreement. Certainly, nothing can stop them, can it?

In the case of this comment above, I got a downvote from someone who agrees with me ;)

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