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I found the book "Self Awareness" by Red Hawk pretty helpful in disentangling and disambiguating some of this stuff.
All of this probably goes out the window in hyper-competitive fields but in my field for example (software engineering) where there's a labor shortage, I've found this to be the case anywhere outside of the companies that just want to test how well you remember your Computer Science degree.
It seems to me though that the extent to which mouse biology and behavior translates well to human biology and behavior might also be the extent to which it's totally immoral. "Yes, but think of how many future lives I'll save by vivisecting this sentient or semi-sentient being..."
Anecdote featuring both: https://boingboing.net/2019/04/08/stewart-brand-talks-about-...
(Stewart Brand founded the Long Now Foundation)
We'll see about that when most soil is barren and most bees are gone. That is, very shortly.
Source: https://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Cha...
"Source" (not a primary source): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnJ8mK3Q3g <-- which has some links to further reading/viewing and a few sources.
Edit: eventually found this: https://losetheglasses.org/cliffgnu-vision.pdf