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2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
Their preferences may be innate, but their standards are not. Their standards change depending on their life experience. If men they find very attractive give them attention (but not commitment), they are going to have a harder time settling down with men they find less attractive but which are willing to commit to them.
2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
The men that are ruining her life are not the sort of "weak men" being discussed here. The ones ruining her life, I can just about guarantee, exude the impression that they don't play by other people's rules. To women, that is strength.
2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
>Honestly, you not being able to have partner

You can stop right there because as I said above, I'm married.

2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
It means they don't get children.
2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
>Yes, that stance is awful.

And I suspect that's exactly why he said "Why bother?".

2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
>So... Oppress women is the solution you are proposing here?

If that's what you want to call shaming them for certain behavior, yes.

>Why have you gendered it at all?

Because women are, on average, different from men, and, on average, exhibit different tendencies. Different measures are needed to push their behaviors to the same point.

>Why do women have to face social stigma and not men?

As I said, a man who has sex with a woman outside of marriage should be pressured to marry her, or in other words, if he doesn't marry her, he should be shamed for it.

Note that I don't think that should apply if he's not the only man that's had sex with her. In that case she is the one that should be the subject of social shaming to discourage other women from following in her path.

>What about gay relationships, presumably you'd apply the same thinking (en route to a marriage or married)?

I don't think homosexual behavior is very relevant to the discussion of men being unable to find suitable wives, but generally speaking, I don't think society should put any effort toward ensuring homosexuals end up in healthy marriages. And if there is any conflict between the interests of homosexuals and the goal of getting normal people in to healthy marriages, the conflict should be resolved in favor of normal people every time.

>What about poly relationships?

I think society should reject polygamous relationships.

>I'm going to assume you mean owes you a supportive, caring, platonic relationship. Eg, two married people support one another to their mutual benefit. I'm going to assume you don't mean to imply your spouse owes you sex.

I mean both. Both are important to the maintenance of most healthy relationships.

2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
>Yes, and it's shared by nearly everyone.

Not really. If you're talking specifically about whether an unmarried man that fits some particular criteria is owed a wife, most people in the western world at this point in time would agree with you. But that's far from universal.

>The alternative is that you believe someone does owe you a relationship, which is anathema to anyone who values individual liberty and freedom at any level.

Not really. "Individual liberty and freedom" is not one concrete set of ideas that you have to either accept or reject wholesale.

>Everyone who is advocating for making changes to society to improve their chances is really fucking cagey about the specifics.

Some are, probably. I don't know which you've been talking to.

>what changes do you propose

Bring back severe social shaming for women that engage in sexual activity outside of a committed monogamous relationship (e.g. marriage or on the way to marriage). Bring back social pressure for a man to marry a woman that he has had sex with outside of marriage.

>and who owes you a relationship

I am married, so I think from society's perspective, my wife should owe me a relationship. If either of us denies the other a relationship without very good reason (meaning something more than just not being happy any more), the one abandoning the marriage should be looked down upon as having done something very wrong.

2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
Yes, there are more now than in the past. https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/figure1newlymaninc...
2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
To be clear, "(almost) everyone needs some amount of physical intimacy to be happy," is a falsifiable statement of fact. You can go out and measure something to find out whether it matches reality.

On the other hand, "but it's not something anyone is entitled to" is fundamentally a statement of opinion, unless it is limited to a specific context like within a specific social system.

2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
>It becomes toxic when it blames women for its problems. Feminism is all for men talking about their issues. It practically begs them to.

Gotcha, it wants them to talk about their issues, as long as they don't say anything unapproved. Why would any man want to go along with that, again?

2lwxxtj··on On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness
>That's one bitter truth about life: (almost) everyone needs some amount of physical intimacy to be happy, but it's not something anyone is entitled to.

That's not a truth about life, it's an opinion.

2lwxxtj··on Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ from Covid Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe
It's not about not wanting to give money to them, it's about not wanting their products injected in to your body. The vast majority of people that get infected with the coronavirus do not get any pharmaceuticals put in to them whatsoever.

>Generally, vaccines aren't in the best interests of pharmaceutical companies.

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. As far as I know, no one has done any long term (10+ year) studies to determine whether people that get vaccines end up using more pharmaceuticals than people that don't get vaccines.

2lwxxtj··on Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ from Covid Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe
>It's just highly intelligent educated experts giving their best possible estimate based on current data.

OK, but can we trust them to completely put out of their mind the interests of the people signing their paychecks? Do the people signing the paychecks blindly hire scientists without considering whether the scientists will be mindful of their interests?

2lwxxtj··on Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ from Covid Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe
People in the US rightly don't trust the pharmaceutical industry or the government. They may not be able to pinpoint why, but when they look around they see that every year the people around them are more obese and have more chronic health conditions. They may not be able to tie those things together consciously, but it leaves the powerful subconscious feeling that the government and pharmaceutical industries do not want them to be healthy.
2lwxxtj··on At Home with Down Syndrome (2008)
As a parent, it is terribly hard to imagine your child not being there. I suppose what I'm curious about is, knowing what it's like to raise a child with Down Syndrome and what it's like to raise a child without, if you hadn't had either child yet, or perhaps were to have a third child, would you have a preference, and if so how strong of a preference?
2lwxxtj··on At Home with Down Syndrome (2008)
People with Down Syndrome are not in any sense a nation or national group. It is not applicable.
2lwxxtj··on At Home with Down Syndrome (2008)
How is it "damning on society"? Raising normal children is already a massive time commitment, and at the end you get a functioning adult that you don't have to take care of, and which can give you grand children. Why would anyone want a child that takes even more time and has to be taken care of for its entire life?
2lwxxtj··on At Home with Down Syndrome (2008)
>which is kind of sad, since those with Down Syndrome can live fulfilling lives.

So can people that don't have Down Syndrome.

2lwxxtj··on Across the Internet, a Game of Whac-a-Mole Is Underway to Root Out Extremism
I said they have a lot of influence over which candidates are viable, not total control. Before becoming president, Trump was a very famous and interesting billionaire, which takes away a lot of the media's tools. The famous and interesting part makes it so people want to hear about him and will pull their eyeballs away from any media outlet that doesn't talk about him (which the media companies obviously care about because that takes away their influence), and the billionaire part gives him the ability to buy a credible campaign effort.

Certainly there are considerable numbers of people in this country that totally distrust the major media sources (for very good reason, in my opinion), but they still have considerable viewerships and therefore considerable influence over the thoughts and therefore votes of many.

Again, do you think Bezos was looking for the ad revenue? Or was he looking for political influence?

2lwxxtj··on Across the Internet, a Game of Whac-a-Mole Is Underway to Root Out Extremism
>The reason the MSM puts out news is to sell advertising

I'm pretty skeptical about that. The major media outlets have significant influence over the political ideas that circulate through the electorate. In a democracy, that means having a lot of influence over which candidates are viable in elections, which, given how powerful governments are, is worth quite a lot more than ad revenue.

Why do you think Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post? Do you think he was after the ad revenue?

2lwxxtj··on Across the Internet, a Game of Whac-a-Mole Is Underway to Root Out Extremism
How exactly are you quantifying the amount of violence for which each side is responsible?
2lwxxtj··on Across the Internet, a Game of Whac-a-Mole Is Underway to Root Out Extremism
Anti-racism, which is explicitly non-color-blind, is now accepted ideology among the center right in the US. See for instance Mitt Romney marching in the "Black Lives Matter" protest: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/mitt-romney-black-li...
2lwxxtj··on Across the Internet, a Game of Whac-a-Mole Is Underway to Root Out Extremism
How is a democracy in which the elite ultimately control which political ideas circulate through the electorate any different from an oligarchy?
2lwxxtj··on We Expect 300k Fewer Births Than Usual This Year in the US
I get the impression that you are not very happy in life.
2lwxxtj··on Prediction Markets: Tales from the Election
>but it's not the objective truth.

I'm genuinely surprised to hear someone claim this. The election centers handed out papers to observers telling them what the restrictions were. There were livestreams from various facilities during the process where workers were clearly seen handling election materials far away from where the observers were. There are pictures where observers are sitting impotently behind a line, watching 5+ election workers each from far enough away that they would never be able to read what's written on the materials that the workers are handling. The claims that restrictions were placed on observers which did not exist in past cycles and which would make it more difficult or impossible for observers to detect fraud were never denied in court. Instead, the defendants claimed that those restrictions did not prevent observers from being anywhere or seeing anything that they had a legal right to be or see.

>it's certainly not actually evidence of fraud

In combination with the undisputed hatred of democrats for Trump, it provides good reason for a person to believe that there was election fraud in those areas. Therefore it is evidence of fraud. It is not conclusive evidence, of course, but it is evidence.

2lwxxtj··on Prediction Markets: Tales from the Election
I cited evidence that restrictions were placed on observers that made it difficult or impossible for them to detect fraud. Do you deny that I did so?
2lwxxtj··on Prediction Markets: Tales from the Election
I literally quoted evidence from the link that you provided.
2lwxxtj··on Prediction Markets: Tales from the Election
Your link seems to agree with me. From the facts for GA and PA:

"Furthermore, in an election conducted in the midst of a pandemic, each of the 159 counties was required to balance the close presence of poll watchers to election workers against the requirements for social distancing essential for the protection of public health."

"As Trump-appointed federal district court Judge Grimberg found, there is no legal “authority providing for a right to unrestrained observation or monitoring of vote counting, recounting, or auditing.”

"Second, there is no right under federal or state law for observers to stand at a particular distance or have a particular view of ballots. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court and the Third Circuit have rejected such claims. As the Third Circuit noted: “The Pennsylvania Supreme Court held that the Election Code requires only that poll watchers be in the room, not that they be within any specific distance of the ballots.” Id. (citing In re Canvassing Observation, No. 30 EAP 2020, 2020 WL 6737895, at *8-9 (Pa. Nov. 17, 2020)). Similarly, there is no federal right protecting the location or view of observers. Id. (noting that the Campaign “cites no federal authority regulating poll watchers or notice and cure.”). As long as observers were allowed in the room, which they were, complaints about minor deviations in the location and view of observers are legally insufficient.66"

In other words, the restrictions that were placed on observers were consistent with the law, and that is what the courts have ruled. I am willing to accept for the sake of argument that the restrictions were legal, but that's not the point. The point is that no one disputes that there were such restrictions. Nor do I see anyone disputing that the restrictions would have made it harder or impossible for election observers to detect fraud. The defense they put up is just that no fraud was detected, and that the restrictions were legal.

See: "The Trump Campaign and its surrogates have tried, unsuccessfully, to equate an alleged lack of observer access with fraudulent results. There has been no credible evidence of significant voter fraud presented in any form. The suggestion that the Trump Campaign and its surrogates were prevented from detecting fraud, and that is tantamount to evidence that there must have been fraud, is absurd."

I don't think that suggestion is absurd at all, and neither do tens of millions of other Americans. Members of the Democrat party viciously, bitterly hate Trump, and everyone knows it. Why would we not suspect them of cheating, if they made it difficult or impossible for anyone to tell?

2lwxxtj··on Prediction Markets: Tales from the Election
I was actually talking about Democrat administered election facilities since they have a well documented seething hatred toward Trump and instituted egregious and well documented restrictions on election observers, forcing them to stay far enough away from election workers that they could not tell what the workers were doing, and kicking them out of facilities entirely under any pretext imaginable with absolutely no recourse if they did anything other than sit silently in their designated corner. I am not aware of any such egregious restrictions that were placed on election observers in Republican strongholds.
2lwxxtj··on Prediction Markets: Tales from the Election
Not necessarily no evidence left behind, just no "smoking guns" that can be trivially discovered by private citizens without power of subpoena or warrant.
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