2ndorderthought

It's pretty awesome and inspires me more than lulz. Highly successful art project if you ask me

I agree. Humans with experience are better at writing and designing code. But for the people who have given up on themselves this stuff is interesting.

I personally use these models for low value boiler plate tasks only. Or auto complete.

I find it hilarious how waiting 5 whole minutes to design software is considered slow in a way that people refer to as not useful. My god lol.

Is that 128gb RAM or VRAM?

I don't see how it's disappointing? 95% correct using the 35b model before the right quants came out on a laptop? And they still got tons of code written for them.

On a real GPU using 27b with the latest quants the experience is better. It's still not the same as opus running on a subsidized GPU farm. Well it is better for privacy at least.

I find it interesting how 2 people can read the same thing and come to very different conclusions.

I agree for planning it's not there yet. But I wouldn't be surprised if something came out that was in a similar weight class.

There are a lot of hats in the ring. I don't see Alibaba shutting down anytime soon. They make qwen.

Deepseek is doing valuations right now.

Moonshot is just getting started. Same with AMD. mistral is still working hard at it and has a customer base.

An Egyptian company dropped their first small model this month, Horus.

There are enough geopolitics at play that I expect this to be a very different outcome from typical startup market dynamics. If anything j worry about the big us labs longevity. The world is fed up with US tech it seems, and even for us citizens it's questionable the frontier labs have their interests in mind as they risk the entire economy.

I disagree. I think people can make very good software by balancing their use of AI and their market knowledge. I still believe for the foreseeable future people can make wildly loved or mission critical software with 0 ai and have it be met with market interest.

I think we are going to see a surge in software claiming to do everything and becoming bloated and unsustainable.

I already see 1gpu local models 1 shotting games via vibe coding. I see people doing agentic programming, granted more slowly and cheaply than 12 Claude sessions.

The difference isn't as big as it was 2 months ago. In the past 45 days so many model releases have happened. Meanwhile frontier performance has stagnated and degraded. If it's a taste of what is to come I welcome it.

It's pretty close already. Check qwen3.6 27b if you haven't already. People are vibe and agentic coding with it on a single GPU.

It is more finicky than Claude but if you hand hold it a bit it's crazy.

I've been saying it for a long time now. I think small models are the future for LLMs. It's been fun seeing experiments to see just how much better models get by making them insanely large but it's not sustainable.

No I am not saying this model is a drop in Claude replacement. But I think in 2 years we might be really surprised what can be done in a desktop with commodity hardware, no connection to the internet, and a few models that span a subset of tasks.

Really happy to see amd put their hat in the ring. It's a good day for amd investors. I know a lot of AI bros will scoff at this, but having your first training run is a big deal for a new lab. AMD is on their way despite Nvidia having years of runway

If you had any data over the past 5 years I would love to read a blog about this. Seeing the numbers would be impactful to me.

I'm not mad at this at all. It probably runs with like 20kb if RAM.

I realize the author is probably just having fun, but if a few modern features added to this and I would probably try it.

Multi cursor, a little terminal window, some way to do code hints or intelligence. This would be a dream boat lol

I think you are right. But I also know what it's like to be on the other side of it. Taking it personally isn't the big issue.

Instead of celebrating a release the top comments are things like "this one thing doesn't work therefore trash, and unusable". Which reads like coercion for the devs to go spend a bunch of time and prioritize their life to satisfy someone at the free all you can download buffet.

The thing that sucks about it is. The devs will go fix that thing. Make a new release. Then the top comment will be some other bug, because all software has them. Then if there are no bugs it will be something else like the devs cousins dogs affiliation the the neighborhood cat. It just gets old to me.

I haven't really had this issue but deepinfra claims to have us servers and looks pretty cheap to me.

What I mean is you can use providers who also host deepseek models for pennies without touching deepseek itself.

Why would two companies burning 100s of billions of dollars and are not profitable be safe keepers of your data when there is a huge market for all of that in the us and the us has really weak protections for those things so the companies can sell it to defense agencies?

Thing is, either way your data is getting hoovered up. If not today then eventually. It's just a matter of where. If you work in an industry where nation states might want to do you irreparable harm then yea don't let your data leave the country.

Qwen 3.6 supports reasonable agentic programming. People are vibe coding with it. It's really not that far off. If you truly cannot make a model that was SOTA 6-12 months ago work for you today for free I don't want to know what your needs are.

Are you actually planning on travelling out of the country right now? It's probably not a good idea even if you don't use Chinese products, which by the way you definitely do.

Just run a local model or run deepseek from another provider with a policy you like. The models are open weight and widely available. Still cheaper than chatgpt and anything else through 3rd parties

The only moat is the us trying to buy all the compute hardware in the world for the next two years. Then China, amd, etc are just making their own chips.

Cool go download qwen 3.6 and run it on a single GPU and you can avoid paying into a subsidized model

No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will.

It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own.

People don't understand that deep seek is running a plausibly sustainable business. Like how qwen/Alibaba is.

I'm not a big inkscape user or a big fan but last time I used it that was absolutely not a word that approached my mind... ...

Yea sure but read the comments in this post it's kinda gross.

I don't think it really matters if they are on the front page of HN. It's free software they don't need to market it right? Maybe it helps them find people willing to contribute to the issues though. So there is that.

You are free to do that. I've only used inkscape like half a dozen times. It was fine for me.

We might need to redo this whole Internet thing because this is insanity.

You know that protection racket where the mobster came to my corner store and says if I don't pay him he will come later and rough me up? This is a worse deal than that.

Maybe ai companies should have invested any of those billions of dollars into safe and equitable ways of rolling out their new surveillance machines. Oh right that was never the point and this only serves to further that. Got it.

Google is interested in, like other tech companies, identifying users by tying them to their phones. Other ai defense companies are trying to get photos and IDs. This is just another take on the same subversive activity.

Well duh the inkscape team should write this feature just for them. For free of course lol. My god