AnIrishDuck

> the incentive to mine that particular area drops considerably, dropping the chance to discover potentially brand new materials that would have been found the normal way.

FWIW, I think the metaphor breaks down with this framing. This isn't really a problem associated with strip mining, what's left behind is generally low or negative value (toxic). I'd suggest a different metaphor, from Wikipedia:

> This process involves the removal of all ground vegetation in the area, which is a detriment to the environment.[19] Topsoil may be placed over the tailing along with planting trees and other vegetation. Another reclamation method involves filling in the hole with water to create an artificial lake. Large tailing piles left behind may contain heavy metals which can leach out acids such as lead and copper and enter into water systems.

This feels very similar to the issues with algorithmic problem "mining". It has the potential to destroy the human ecosystems surrounding these problems, leaving barren wasteland behind where nothing can grow or flourish.

I hate to break it to you, but you are currently still responsible for killing somebody while driving a car on cruise control, especially if you act recklessly.

EDIT: to be less snarky, there are obvious exceptions if a manufacturer defect is involved. But I still imagine it turns on things like foreseeability and proximate cause (IANAL). Nevertheless, if you were asleep at the wheel, you're getting held responsible.

Presumably because it's cheaper. Ours was also originally in home; the utility recently came through and replaced all of ours with exterior units, likely at great cost (horizontal drilling machines aren't cheap)

I suspect the tragedy in Pennsylvania [1] was the catalyst. There are lots of potential issues with keeping these things indoors.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrimack_Valley_gas_explosion...

Area vs volume.

If these are the temperatures on the surface, think of the depths. There is a whole additional dimension to multiply (integrate) across.

The added energy is far greater than you might think simply by looking at the surface.

Yeah that checks out too. I'm basically regurgitating what I was told when working the electronics aisles at a hardware store.

After reading the wiki page more thoroughly, there were just a bunch of different issues. Goes to show what happens when you make a seemingly benign but fundamental change in a system full of parts designed for something different.

It is indeed the conductor of choice at utility scale. It was even briefly used in place of copper wire in construction [1], though that usage was halted when safety issues emerged (differential expansion when mated with legacy copper pulled apart joints and created major fire hazards)

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_building_wiring

> Why would Anthropic get to dictate how someone uses a "tool" (that's literally what Claude Code is... a tool in a workflow)

This is a direct conflict in framing. They clearly do not see Claude Code as a "tool in a workflow" but instead as a service that will eventually replace all programmers.

I think the self-evident quality of the various parts of the Claude Code universe is a pretty obvious indicator of the problems with that approach. It is still important to understand a party's thinking if you want to understand their position.

> They're swimming upstream. Trying to maintain a rapidly shrinking moat and not being very creative about it. Making enemies of your users is often a failing strategy.

Time will tell, but I agree that they are indeed in a tough spot. Probably not for the reasons that they think.

> On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" In one case a member of the Upper, and in the other a member of the Lower, House put this question. I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

- Charles Babbage, https://archive.org/details/passagesfromlife03char/page/67/m...

EDIT: This is a new iteration of an old problem. Even GIGO [1] arguably predates computers and describes a lot of systemic problems. It does seem a lot more difficult to distinguish between a "garbage" or "good" prompt though. Perhaps this problem is just going to keep getting harder.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out

There are plenty of other more recent examples in this thread.

I was simply replying to the original statement that China doesn't kill protesters in the street. The notion is so risible that in hindsight it may well have been sarcasm or bait.

But, if you wish to expand the scope of this discussion, sure. There are several clear distinctions between the (horrible) events you list and what happened in Tiananmen Square.

The most obvious is that we are free to talk about them now. I submit that the Chinese state's continued censorship of the subject is a sign that (1) the state is still complicit in these crimes and (2) it is not "doing great".

The scale of brutality is also just incomparable. I say this fully agreeing the events you list were terrible. The horrors committed at Tiananmen Square were simply on another level.

This is an especially hilarious comment given what happened in June 1989 [1].

It's the prototypical example of authoritarian crackdowns and mass slaughter of innocent protestors.

Discussion or even mention of it is still forbidden in China.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

> This idea that there's some kind of difference between me watching you from a park bench in public and hundreds of thousands of clones of me watching you from every street corner in public is, quite frankly, bogus

To paraphrase the quote, quantity has a quality of its own.

Yeah, this feels like another reincarnation of the ancient "who watches the watchmen?" problem [1]. Time and time again we see that the incentives _really really_ matter when facing this problem; subtle changes can produce entirely new problems.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%...

You don't have to, that's the point.

EDIT: or to rephrase, this proposal is opt-in (device attests the user is a minor) not mandatory (device is required to attest the user is an adult)

Or we have devices attest user age. On setup, the device has the option to store a root ("guardian"?) email address. Whenever "adult mode" is activated or the root email is changed, a notification must first be sent to the prior root email. That notification may optionally contain a code that must be used to proceed with the relevant action, though the user should be warned of the potential device-crippling consequences.

This setting is stored in a secure enclave and survives factory resets.

I will note that these two systems are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty of ways to "think of the children" that don't trample on everybody's freedom.

I personally have taken several road trips (1000+ miles) with an EV across the United States and have not found charging to be a "huge issue".

But I (clearly) must be wrong, sorry to disagree with the spokesman of America.

> Classic Motte and Bailey.

For this to be a "classic motte and bailey" you will need to point us to instances where _the original poster_ suggested these (the "bailey", which you characterize as "rust eliminates all bugs") things.

It instead appears that you are attributing _other comments_ to the OP. This is not a fair argumentation technique, and could easily be turned against you to make any of your comments into a "classic motte and bailey".

As somebody that "learned" C++ (Borland C++... the aggressively blue memories...) first at a very young age, I heartily agree.

Rust just feels natural now. Possibly because I was exposed to this harsh universe of problems early. Most of the stupid traps that I fell into are clearly marked and easy to avoid.

It's just so easy to write C++ that seems like it works until it doesn't...

> the options are to build more software or to hire fewer engineers.

To be cheeky, there are at least three possibilities you are writing off here: we build _less_ software, we hire _more_ engineers, or things just kinda stay the same.

More on all of these later.

> I am not convinced that software has a growing market

Analysis of market dynamics in response to major technological shocks is reading tea leaves. These are chaotic systems with significant nonlinearities.

The rise of the ATM is a classic example. An obvious but naive predicted result would be fewer employed bank tellers. After all, they're automated _teller_ machines.

However, the opposite happened. ATMs drastically reduced the cost of running a bank branch (which previously required manually counting lots of cash). More branches, fewer tellers per branch... but the net result was _more_ tellers employed thirty years later. [1]

They are, of course, now doing very different things.

Let's now spitball some of those other scenarios above:

- Less "software" gets written. LLMs fundamentally change how people interact with computers. More people just create bespoke programs to do what they want instead of turning to traditional software vendors.

- More engineers get hired. The business of writing software by hand is mostly automated. Engineers shift focus to quality or other newly prioritized business goals, possibly enabled by automating LLMs instead of e.g traditional end to end tests.

- Things employment and software wise stay mostly the same. If software engineers are still ultimately needed to check the output of these things the net effect could just be they spend a bit less time typing raw code. They might work a bit less; attempts to turn everyone into a "LLM tech lead" that manages multiple concurrent LLMs could go poorly. Engineers might mostly take the efficiency gains for themselves as recovered free-ish (HN / Reddit, for example) time.

Or, let's be real, the technology could just mostly be a bust. The odds of that are not zero.

And finally, let's consider the scenario you dismiss ("more software"). It's entirely possible that making something cheaper drastically increases the demand for it. The bar for "quality software" could dramatically raise due to competition between increasingly llm-enhanced firms.

I won't represent any of these scenarios as _likely_, but they all seem plausible to me. There are too many moving parts in the software economy to make any serious prediction on how this will all pan out.

1. https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2011/06/15/ar... (while researching this, I noticed a recent twist to this classic story. Teller employment actually _has_ been declining in the 2020s, as has the total number of ATMs. I can't find any research into this, but a likely culprit is yet another technological shock: the rise of mobile banking and payment apps)

The most critical skill in the coming era, assuming that AI follows its current trajectory and there are no research breakthroughs for e.g. continual learning is going to be delegation.

The art of knowing what work to keep, what work to toss to the bot, and how to verify it has actually completed the task to a satisfactory level.

It'll be different than delegating to a human; as the technology currently sits, there is no point giving out "learning tasks". I also imagine it'll be a good idea to keep enough tasks to keep your own skills sharp, so if anything kinda the reverse.

> Sometimes after a night’s sleep, we wake up with an insight on a topic or a solution to a problem we encountered the day before.

The current crop of models do not "sleep" in any way. The associated limitations on long term task adaptation are obvious barriers to their general utility.

> When conversing with LLMs, I never get the feeling that they have a solid grasp on the conversation. When you dig into topics, there is always a little too much vagueness, a slight but clear lack of coherence, continuity and awareness, a prevalence of cookie-cutter verbiage. It feels like a mind that isn’t fully “there” — and maybe not at all.

One of the key functions of REM sleep seems to be the ability to generalize concepts and make connections between "distant" ideas in latent space [1].

I would argue that the current crop of LLMs are overfit on recall ability, particularly on their training corpus. The inherent trade-off is that they are underfit on "conceptual" intelligence. The ability to make connections between these ideas.

As a result, you often get "thinking shaped objects", to paraphrase Janelle Shane [2]. It does feel like the primordial ooze of intelligence, but it is clear we still have several transformer-shaped breakthroughs before actual (human comparable) intelligence.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Sleep 2. https://www.aiweirdness.com/

Not really, no. The founders were not omniscient, but many of them publicly wrote about the problematic rise of political "factions" contrary to the general interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._10

> One thing that's been really off putting about the technology industry is how fake-it-till-you-make-it has become so pervasive.

It feels accidental, but it's definitely amusing that the models themselves are aping this ethos.

The grid actually already has a fair number of (non-software) circular dependencies. This is why they have black start [1] procedures and run drills of those procedures. Or should, at least; there have been high profile outages recently that have exposed holes in these plans [2].

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_start 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Iberian_Peninsula_blackou...

Sure. Create a diamond polygon and revolve it around a point.

Blender has methods and tools to _approximate_ doing this. It has a revolve tool... where the key parameter is the number of steps.

This is not a revolution, it's an approximation of a revolution with a bunch of planar parts.

BREP as I understand it allows you to describe the surfaces of this operation precisely and operate further on them (e.g. add a fillet to the top edge).

Ditto for things like circular holes in objects. With blender, you're fundamentally operating on a bunch of triangles. Fundamental and important solid operations must be approximated within that model.

BREP has a much richer set of primatives. This dramatically increases complexity but allows it to precisely model a much larger universe of solids.

(You can kinda rebuild functionality that geometric kernels have with geometry nodes now in blender. This is a lot of work and is not a great user interface compared to CAD programs)

An analogy is the difference between vector and bitmap graphics.

CAD programs aren't just a different set of operations on the same data, they use an entirely different representation (b-rep [1] vs Blender's points, vertices, and polygons).

These representations are much more powerful but also much more complex to work with. You typically need a geometric kernel [2] to perform useful operations and even get renderable solids out of them.

So sure, I suppose you could build all of that into Blender. But it's the equivalent of building an entire new complex program into an existing one. It also raises major interoperation issues. These two representations do not easily convert back and forth.

So at that point, you basically have two very different programs in a trenchcoat. So far the ecosystem has evolved towards instead building two different tools that are masters of their respective domains. Perhaps because of the very different complexities inherent in each, perhaps because it makes the handover / conversion from one domain to the other explicit.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_representation

2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_modeling_kernel

This doesn't seem right to me. From the article I believe you are referencing ("What if AI made the world’s economic growth explode?"):

> If investors thought all this was likely, asset prices would already be shifting accordingly. Yet, despite the sky-high valuations of tech firms, markets are very far from pricing in explosive growth. “Markets are not forecasting it with high probability,” says Basil Halperin of Stanford, one of Mr Chow’s co-authors. A draft paper released on July 15th by Isaiah Andrews and Maryam Farboodi of mit finds that bond yields have on average declined around the release of new ai models by the likes of Openai and DeepSeek, rather than rising.

It absolutely (beyond being clearly titled "what if") presented real counterarguments to its core premise.

There are plenty of other scenarios that they have explored since then, including the totally contrary "What if the AI stock market blows up?" article.

This is pretty typical for them IME. They definitely have a bias, but they do try to explore multiple sides of the same idea in earnest.

> Understanding twos complement representation is an essential programming skill

The field of programming has become so broad that I would argue the opposite. The vast majority of developers will never need to think about let alone understand twos complement as a numerical representation.

What if the obstacle is not a person? What if something falls off a truck in front of the vehicle? What if wildlife spontaneously decides to cross the road (a common occurrence where I live)?

I don't think these problems can just be assumed away.

This is an interesting question where I do not know the answer.

I will not pretend to be an expert. I would suggest that "human understanding convenience" is pretty important in safety domains. The famous Brian Kernighan quote comes to mind:

> Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?

When it comes to obscure corner cases, it seems to me that simpler is better. But Waymo does seem to have chosen a different path! They employ a lot of smart folk, and appear to be the state of the art for autonomous driving. I wouldn't bet against them.

> Cars can stop in quite a short distance.

"Quite a short distance" is doing a lot of lifting. It's been a while since I've been to driver's school, but I remember them making a point of how long it could take to stop, and how your senses could trick you to the contrary. Especially at highway speeds.

I can personally recall a couple (fortunately low stakes) situations where I had to change lanes to avoid an obstacle that I was pretty certain I would hit if I had to stop.