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I would like to remind you that the USA are selling billions in weapons every year to Bin Salman, crown prince of Saudi Arabia, responsible of the killing of the journalist Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi, dismembered in a Saudi consulate in Turkey by killers sent by the prince, who is using those weapons to bomb people in Yemen.

Unfortunately people in US don't even know where Yemen is or that there is a war that they are supporting together with a bloody dictator. Because they do not want to intervene directly, if a single US soldier dies, everybody at home will know about this war, started in 2015, with the excuse of the terrorism, it only created newborn real terrorists that have fallen in the hands of Iran and Al-Qaeda. They send drones though, at least 370 thousand people have died, mainly for the consequences of war (famine, lack of drinkable water, diseases, displacement). A war that the US have no intention of stopping.

You know who's doing one of the best jobs in the area? China and Russia. Yes, those China and Russia. They recognize the international recognized government and have no contacts with the factions close to Iran. They also haven't killed or armed anybody. Their diplomacies have been constantly at work together with EU members for a cease-fire. Unlike the US. They know that an unstable Yemen is detrimental for China, even though people are dying, they do not care: there is money to be made.

Thanks for reminding us how dangerous ignorance is.

What about "People in the USA are grieving because of China virus created to kill us, but we won't do anything against China because the first step of grief is denial"?

How does this sound?

It's completely normal to me to answer: well my friend, first of all a leak is a mistake, it's not intentional since, you know, the first who paid where the Chinese themselves, it would be pretty stupid to do it intentionally. But if you really think things go that way because people do not understand who's their enemy (the Chinese who want to kill you by engineering a virus), what about all the countries that the USA has relationships to, to their advantage only, after killing their citizen, without even apologizing?

Should they cut the links too?

What about what the USA and UK did to Chinese people?

There's a reason why they made a cultural revolution and chose communism, and no, being a "democracy" doesn't make your country automatically better.

Spoiler alert: American people have lost many relatives because of their government.

So maybe it's toward them that they should be angry and ask for a change.

Even if it was a lab leak, the right solution would be cooperation, so that it doesn't happen again (because next time could happen to the US...)

I think you're missing the point.

To me the post was answering to someone claiming that

- Americans suffered the consequences of COVID because of China, which is arguably not true, they have handled the pandemic badly because of their own faults, incompetence and hubris (and a President in denial).

- The Americans are at the first stage of grieving over this, because they are obviously victims, while truth is they are often perpetrators that just don't care of the consequences of what they do, because if some non American dies, it's probably because they deserve it. During COVID they proved that they also don't care very much if someone of their own dies, because FREE MARKET OH YEAH! FLY EAGLE OF FREEDOM! Which has honestly been embarrassing, watching from outside.

If you were part of the 96% of the World population which is not American, you would know the feeling.

what should your ideal candidate think after reading these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjdt_665385/2649_665393/202...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_genocide

I'm pretty sure this qualifies as genocide, because the word "genocide" is in the title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples

not Americans.

They always need someone to blame.

Remember when they went to war with Iraq on fabricated evidence?

Remember when they wen to war with Afghanistan after 9/11, but Afghanistan had no responsibility whatsoever (again!) and 10 years later they handed the country back to Talibans?

Can we consider 9/11 an accident?

Would it be the same to you?

You know when really nobody talks about it?

When it's the US killing people out of negligence and incompetence and sheer arrogance.

Are you aware of this?

Do they talk about it in USA?

They never apologized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

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can we also talk about this?

I'm quite sure how these poor people died makes a lot of difference for the families of the victims.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/18/us/airstrikes...

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It's not China fault if during covid in USA Trump was President and people really believed that covid wasn't real and a lot of Americans died with a rate double than my Country which was already hit very hard BTW.

China handled it much better anyway.

How about, I am non native English speaker, those are perfectly valid numbers for me, so don't shove your limited view of the World down my throat?

How about some magic words spell things and you can't change that?

Java classes start with 0xCAFEBABE whether we like it or not.

Do

  0xF1CA
  
  0xF355A

  0xFA770

mean anything to you?

We've established that you lack the ability to understand a text, then.

> but the fact that LGBTQ people enjoy helping to make it successful.

can we stop idolizing things that are so common, they're boring?

I've worked with LGBTQ people in software engineering before the LGBTQ acronym was even invented and they were 10 to 20 years older than me already in the 90s...

Why there are people pretending that the World did not exist and had different rules before Rust?

Is Rust a new kind of religion?

It looks like it is for some people.

Are you sure?

Read again

> I optimize directly for the hardware I'm running on, which typically gives me 10-100x performance improvements. Controlling how memory is managed is critical.

> What makes you think you can't control how memory is managed in Rust?

> Arguably, Rust does make a number of memory layouts (self referential structs, per struct allocators, non thread local addresses, etc) much harder to accomplish than "typing unsafe".

So basically, the right question would be "can you explain what you mean that Rust can't control how memory is managed"?

Because the author knew, the Rust supporter didn't and confused "work in progress" with "I need it now because I'm using it now in production in my daily job"

> What makes you think you can't control how memory is managed in Rust?

experienced C++ programmers says "Rust is great but very young and still C++ is better for my use case".

Rust supporter replies "what makes you think you know better than us what it is better for you?"

Welcoming community, they said.

growth, definition: the act or process, or a manner of growing; development; gradual increase.

If something grows from 1 to 2 it doubled.

If something grows from 100 to 101 its growth was 1%.

In absolute terms it's the same amount.

So you got it backwards.

the evidence is the same of the elections: if only 30% of the people vote, the most loved vote was non voting.

I don't see PHP programmers going to Stackoverflow to vote for PHP, but it still gets a lot more things done than Rust, for sure.

And not because they don't like the language, but because "normies" don't go out talking about their love for the hammer or their drill or their kitchen too... no wait, chefs talk about their knives constantly!

Rust is nobody employer though

popular among coders != successful

C/C++ are successful because even my mother knows about them.

> The LGBT part is barely mentioned (one sentence of a couple paragraphs on the code of conduct),

I've literally never read a single sentence about it nowhere else since 1983 when I got my C64 and wrote my first Basic program.

But I was working in workplaces were LGBTQ+ people were the majority in the middle 90s.

They were called simply gay or lesbian back then.

No one blinked an eye about it, it was already considered normal and not something that should be talked about plenty at work.

In Italy, above all the places...

escaping JS nightmare hoping to be hired by the startup that's rewriting something already established in Rust and declare defeat two years later.

2. : are we at the kindergarten?

what's wrong with 0xB00B135 ?

and why 0xCAFED00D? if this is a reference to something I don't get it and probably it shouldn't be there if it's not so popular that anybody knows about it.

the best I could find about it is "("cafe dude") is used by Java as a magic number for their pack200 compression."

Am I missing something here?

Why a compiler cares about this stuff?

because we are in post computer science times.

personal identity > mental capabilities

personal branding > collective growth

physical traits > work ethics

so it's funny to me that they are still called "communities" but everyone has its own strong individual identity and you have to respect it (meaning you need to aknowledge it) while talking about something completely different.

It's like going to the gas station and instead of asking "how much" for the gas you start a conversation like "I am bald. Do you like bald people? Is this gas station aware of bald people existence? Do you recognize us as people? Do you stand by our side or not?" review "Did not speak my language. Not bald. Probably racist. Won't come again."

Anyway:

HCL is the fastest growing language on GitHub, faster than Rust and TypeScript

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33728996

> Hi, people have made money using my code and I also don’t care

looks like everyone's missing the point.

> I understand this is upsetting to you

Again, maybe I am on another level of comprehension, so I don't understanda why it is so hard for someone to get it, but I am not upset by that, at all.

I simply know that those who think "it will be fine" are delusional and don't know what they are talking about!

So I just will paste some link to relevant news here, maybe it will make things clearer.

It includes the opinion of Antirez, father of one of the most successful OSS ever: Redis. Maybe his words will open your eyes and tear the veil of Maya.

(spoiler ahead alert!)

Basically you work for free and people don't even thank you and the maintainer ends up being doxed or blamed or pushed aside and in the long term the only solution to keep sanity is to resign

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/burden-open-source-ma...

https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/13/opensource_apacheplc4...

https://nolanlawson.com/2017/03/05/what-it-feels-like-to-be-...

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/z14tt2/reason_why_op...

https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/167

http://web.archive.org/web/20221217180915/http://antirez.com...

> But I don’t see how the GPL is a viable solution to that problem. Not at all

GPL doesn't permit freeloading, that's how

Do you wanna know who the freeloaders are?

Just make a list of companies that do not accept GPL code.

Those are the free loaders.

For people it's even simpler: you don't want to contribute to the project because it's GPL? then you are a freeloader.

Which is not the same of saying that if someone creates a project under Apache license he's a freeloader. There are many reasons to start a project under more permissive licenses, but if you plan to write something that has chances of being successful, think about what you're doing and who got your back.

It's one thing to create Go and make it opensource with Google backing you, another entirely to maintain log4j or GPG or OpenSSH on your free time for years or decades, without even a thank you and people constantly opening issue like "this thing is shit it should be rewritten in Rust" or "this project doesn't have a COC/ the COC is not inclusive enough I will blame you all over the internet" etc. etc.

My Apache/BSD projects are under that license because I know it's code that will be used in a context where GPL would not be accepted, but I also refuse to offer any kind of support whatsoever, basically once you get it, it's yours, I won't even close your issues, I will simply ignore them, that's how much I care about it.

Because I don't care to work on stuff that people are not forced to contribute back to, unless it's for myself.

Need a feature? Show me the money and I will think about implementing it.

> . Not at all. More likely, if I release my code under the GPL not only won’t I get paid, but also nobody will use my software

textbook straw man

you will get paid in code.

Linux is GPL, Vim is GPL, Emacs is GPL, GCC is GPL, Gnome is GPL, KDE is GPL, OpenJDK is GPL, Telegram is GPL, VLC is GPL, Blender is GPL, uBlock Origin is GPL, etc. etc. it's notorious that nobody uses them...

> What is it with GPL ideologues in this thread

so if you chose BSD you are exercising your freedom, if people use the GPL the way it was intended, they are lunatics or ideologues.

Nice try, little "Nazi schatze" who "fight for fatherland" (cit).

> what. It's really that simple. I guess I don't have enough petty envy in me to care if, god forbid, somebody else makes a buck off my code.

except that there are INNUMERABLE cases of people having created very successful projects (please provide proof that your code served more than yourself) that are lamenting the fatigue of maintaining it while commercial entities make a lot of money out of it, without giving back, not even pennnies, let alone workers or code.

That's why GPL has its merits, it prevents this kind of behaviour which is to be expected from corporations and other private for profit entities.

If you think that's ideology and your case will be different, you're simply delusional.

As soon as 20 people will start using your code and file bugs, ask for features, open issues on something that is not related in any way to what you wrote, because they did not understand it or were told to nag you, you'll lose your shit. 100% guaranteed.

For what?

> Think what you want. Nobody else was confused by my meaning.

you are very confused and don't even understand what you wrote my dear friend.

GPL is not based on "asking those who are already giving to give more" but on collaboration. Which I understand is not a thing for you, so you better stay away from it, but that's not a GPL's fault, that's exactly the purpose: keeping away the free riders like you!

besides "nobody else" is a very poor defense, only kids use that. It doesn't make your statements less false.

> LMAO you guys are fucking lunatics. Have a nice night.

Who are you talking to now?

I am one.

Reminder: the World is vast, USA is just a small percentage of it, not even one of the most interesting by any metric, it's lunch time here.

Sleep on it, if tomorrow you still see the invisible "guys" you mentioned, call a doctor. You sure you're ok?

did you or did you not write these sentences?

> Other than an appeal to their sense of morality (which only works if they happen to be a Stallman disciple)

> what's their incentive to use it? It's simply demanding more from those who are already giving.

I think you meant more than simply "why I choose not to license my own project as GPL"

you're actually bashing on GPL because you either

- are ignorant of what GPL license says

- have an agenda and/or are paid to spread FUD

- all of the above

If I want to be charitable I would say that the last hypothesis is that you are not aware of what you write.

EDIT:

you also rote

> Nobody is "afraid" of copyleft, that's a rhetorical device you're using to discredit those who disagree with you

Which is not true, a lot of businesses are afraid of copyleft, in fact at work not many people can publish their code under a copyleft license, because the mainstream mindset is that code is an asset and keeping it secret gives companies an advantage. Which clearly is not the case, because most of the code is simply a rewrite - usually bad - of something that already exists in the copyleft World. Everyone working in the field knows that. So it's a decision based on fear not on risk assessment. The company I work for is specialized in risk assessment and even they cannot escape the myth that code must be kept secret or the competition would steal it. I wonder what competitor would steal that pile of garbage that only works under very specific requirements, which are mostly there because 40 years of legacy and incompetence.

You seem to have an idea of copyleft (GPL in particular) that is far from what it is and it only exists in your mind.

> Other than an appeal to their sense of morality (which only works if they happen to be a Stallman disciple)

it's the exact opposite.

Apart from the wording, which sounds dismissing for no reason, Stallman has no disciples, people who describe them like that usually have some agenda that does not respect other people's freedoms, since we know discipline is hard, GPL forces people (corporations mostly) to stay away if the just want to free-ride on voluntary work.

Want to use GPL code? No problem! it's yours, no strings attached, there are only 2 things you can't do: put it under a different license, redistribute it without incorporating your changes as GPL.

Which is completely fine morally and ethically, if you come to my house and are my guest for free and I only ask you to not rent the property for money and if you do to share the money with me, would you think I'm appealing to your sense of morality or that I am being fair?

Compare it to, let's say, any other proprietary license where, for example, Oracle doesn't allow you to run the software you have bough on different hardware configurations than the one you bought the license for and try to establish which one gives you more freedom.

There's also, OTOH, a popular trope that says "I license it <whatever free license not GPL> because I have no problem with corporations using it and I can brag about being the author"

Well, that's a pipe dream, the most delusional there is.

Take this as an example among so many that it's really heart shattering: https://twitter.com/FiloSottile/status/1469441487175880711

An hypothetical discussion would go like this

- coder: I wrote this code, hope you like it, it's free to use

- megacorp: you mean I have to pay zero $?

- coder: I mean it's free as in freedom!

- megacorp: can you speak $ please? is it zero or not?

- coder: well, yes, but that's not the p...

- megacorp: then ZERO it is and I will also blame you for any bug or if you do not add the features I need

- coder: but that's not fair...

- megacorp: does the license prohibit it?

- coder: well... no

- megacorp: then unfair it is!

how THIS (which is far from rare or no heard of outcome) incentivize people to keep on coding for free is the real mystery to me! not that the GPL asks people to follow standard human decency and respect for other people hard work. That's completely understandable to me!

> like they did with cigarettes.

THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

Animals enjoy alcohol too, it's a beverage, it's a natural substance, there's no way that alcohol it's gonna be like cigarettes!

Hotdogs are bad for your health, do you think hotdogs and cigarettes are the same thing?

Do you really believe that alcohol is a modern addiction, like tobacco industry?

Have you ever heard that Christians drink wine because it's the blood of Jesus Christ? (who turned the water into wine BTW!)

Do you know that radical Islam prohibits alcohol because it can induce a loss of self-control?

Do you believe that radical Islam is the way to go for the future?

I really don't.

Alcohol is rooted in our ancestry, it's part of who we are, stop blaming substances, this is truly a modern take: it's the never ending bullshit of the war on drugs that started with prohibionism, it's the USA that promote the puritan way of life, while destroying the planet more than everybody else combined and indulging in the worst possible lifestyle (eating garbage, drinking like there's no tomorrow, working to death, healthcare considered a luxury etc.), it's the same old story of Americans not understanding that their problems are absolutely not everyone's problems

The oldest verifiable brewery has been found in a prehistoric burial site in a cave near Haifa in modern-day Israel. Researchers have found residue of 13,000-year-old beer that they think might have been used for ritual feasts to honor the dead

Those who believe alcohol is a fad are simply delusional.

that's probably because drinking in the US is very expensive.

which is a form of prohibitionism in itself, but didn't stop people from binge drinking.

Here in Italy, where wine is very cheap, you don't see people drinking like the Americans do, especially not adult people.

Kids, maybe, sometimes, we have a problem with young people binge drinking, mostly because they gathered those habits from American culture which massively influence their daily content consumption.

Back in the day the American culture my generation has been exposed to was very different about who drank on screen and why.

> m not trolling. I think America would be better if people didn't drink

America simply drinks too much

We Italians are usually described as people who love to sit and drink all day.

On average Italians drink half the alcohol of Americans yearly.

Consider that in Italy non drinkers are ~25% while in America 36% of adults described themselves as “total abstainers”.

> In moderation, it adds a unique pleasure to being alive

as the old adage says: In medio stat virtus

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_medio_stat_virtus

then don't drink and live a better life than anybody else.

animals enjoy alcohol too[1], it's not simply cultural and it's not a "west only" thing.

> all the while alcohol is imposing higher and higher tax on you.

assuming it's true, I very much prefer the alcohol tax than the 80 hours work week and only 7 days/year of holidays tax

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-alcoholics...

> Even if this fact is true it doesn't mean that drinking is healthy for these moderate drinkers

That's not the kind of inference we can derive from the data though.

The conclusion is that, even if we know that alcohol is not good for our health, moderate drinking has not been correlated to higher mortality or shorter life span, so we can conclude that, at the time of this writing, there are no evidence that show that moderate drinking is worse than not drinking for our health.

Regardless of the causes, the data simply doesn't show any correlation whatsoever with worsening health conditions, it shows, however, a correlation with a mildly longer average life span, which has not been explained, yet.