BlueTemplar

Study former examples of 'AI' doing this : the Luddites and various artisans displaced by 'AI' looms and 'AI' factories in the 19th century.

Yeah, what's next, assuming that non-USians aren't aware of the concept of 'corruption' ?

Some of this could also be said (at a much smaller scale per person) about people in rich countries in general. Humans have trouble to care about far away consequences of their (in)actions.

Some of the behaviour stems from their situation itself.

Yes, I mean what games we see where it becomes really problematic.

Cheating is only a big issue for a subset of online MP games. GTA6 might or might not be one of them.

You mean the RockStar's version of GTA6 won't. Unofficial versions, however...

That's not what "cloud only" typically means though.

Online-only DRM is bad yeah, but with sufficient effort it can be sidestepped : see the unofficial WoW servers.

Meanwhile game streaming is extremely resource heavy, needs rock solid Internet connections, and runs into laws of physics for latency issues. But more games will probably go this route, yeah, especially those targeting players of specific (high) wealth brackets. (Boycott them, just like other online-only DRM.)

Some of it might be that, but some of it might be more prosaically the same thing that keeps people playing competitive games on one hand, or cookie clicker on the other. (Cookie clicker could read as "pure greed" if you squint.)

There are some nasty game theory outcomes to keep in mind here. (See also : cold war nuclear arms race.)

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/hc4DbmhdzZpSLMQ9Y/the-ai-rac...

Interesting, did Instagram start using actual streaming on their videos ?

That's not what "sexual content" means, 'porn' is just a subset of it.

For "these people", see the recent :

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cJX2ssssGoYqnijwi/the-talker...

One big issue is that we don't even really know what 'intelligence' is in the first place. And everyone's intuitions here are going to be heavily impacted by their deep-seated worldview / philosophy.

For instance if you're a hard dualist (especially of the theological kind), then the idea of a machine having 'goals' is preposterous.

However, if you're more of a panpsychist, then on the contrary, it's obvious. In some sense, even a knife has a 'goal' of cutting things, which will sometimes end up 'misaligned' if misused (or by sheer accident).

You go up and up the chain of complexity through crystals, viruses, bacteria, simpler animals... ending up with humans (and possibly, some steps above : human civilizations) which (seem ?) to be a messy evolved bundle of sometimes conflicting 'goals'.

And we ourselves have now artificially evolved LLM swarms that have decently complex 'goals' of their own. They do not even need to be particularly complex to sometimes cause widespread damage (see viral pandemics, or even the (non-evolved) computer viruses).

In a way, we are currently witnessing a repeat of what happened when European viruses and bacteria landed on American shores, with American humans' immune systems being woefully undertrained to deal with them. But with websites. And thankfully the swarms of agents still ultimately being in the control of some humans. (Though which includes humans that might be your enemies.) At least ultimately still in control for now.

Define 'predict', 'ahead' and "like these" − didn't you imagine something like this happening soon after first hearing about 'agents' ?

Mostly related, well written short story :

https://gwern.net/fiction/clippy

Because in other circumstances, a hacker might have decided to stop there, and not only not publish, but instead warn the website about their security flaw.

Especially after Bluetouff was found guilty.

In fact, I expect this to have happened many times, but "hacker did the right thing" is much less likely to make headlines.

Meanwhile, agent swarms seem to be (mostly ?) incapable of having this kind of moral compass, at least for now. (And OpenAI isn't doing much better, cough.)

It's not completely ridiculous in the sense that when a company is found guilty, some employee (or (sub)contractor) of the company did the actual action.

That employee might or might NOT be found guilty too, possibly to a different degree, depending on the circumstances.

We don't know what kind of 'hacking' this involved, in fact at least some of the files were publicly available.

Compare with the Bluetouff affair (2014) :

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/french-journalis...

NotE how he was found guilty by the 2nd court for something more 'subjective' than 'objective' : for having confessed that he later found an authentication page that had failed to protect the documents.

How can you make a swarm of agents "feel guilty" ?

No, we mostly stopped using chemical weapons because they were bad at modern warfare :

https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-ch...

And they will be stopped by someone sane in the chain to actually fire these missiles. (Like it already happened several times.)

The danger is upfront : if there is a group of people insane enough to set up a system where there is no such chain. (As lampooned in Kubrick's Dr Strangelove (1964), in particular on the Soviet side.)

Those Microsoft pawns ?

There are people that pre-ordered their latest PC that are currently waiting for the remaining batches to become available, finish paying the PC price in full, and have it shipped to them. So this information does fullfill a direct customer need.

Facebook/Meta is a great example indeed when one remembers that they took part in a genocide, and still haven't faced consequences for it.

The current kind of car is extremely good at doing what it does. It's just that most of the benefits are short term, and for the car user (and the oil salesman), while the costs are borne by everyone else, and some of the worst ones are long term.

(Some similarities to hard drugs here.)

Yeah, it's infuriating when poorly implemented.

What kind of 'infrastructure' did China have when they had "fallen out" with Google (in 2010?), that the EU does not have now ?

For the worst, you mean ?

The current arrangement has been torpedoed a long time ago already, with the Patriot Act (2001) (though it took many years to understand the extent of it).

No, I want to insist on Bitcoin's intellectual legacy. Before ~2011, only a handful of niche nerds at the intersection of cryptography and (goldbug) economics had heard of related ideas. After ~2011, everybody had, and started building their own (like Etherium).

> You can't even buy a fucking game without it being encrusted in anti-user DRM.

You very much can. And notably, exceptions that do use it tend to be from giant public corporations.

It is. I guess that it's more of an issue for banks in smaller countries ? (But how come SEPA is not more widely used even for B2C sales then ?)

Sounds like the digital euro might also have been designed to help with these issues ?

Yeah, it's uncommon, but bank wire does exist, and while (like cheques) it's typically used for paying rent / utilities / sending money to non-businesses, it does seem to become more common since it was improved to be 'instant' ?

I never had a credit card. I cannot remember having an issue paying with debit cards.