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CoderCop··on A Military-Trained Policeman, Fired for Being Less Hasty to Shoot
I'm new to posting at HN, and can't get the edit feature to work, but I did find an article about Mader's other issues.[1]

Officer Mader responded to a deceased body, and determined the cause of death was natural causes, and treated the scene as such. Turns out the victim died of blunt force trauma to the head, neck and body, and the scene should've been treated as a crime scene. Unsure on his state.

On a separate incident, Mader swore at person in a vehicle before performing an illegal search of the vehicle, lacking probable cause or a search warrant. The city claims they offered him the opportunity to appeal, and as far as I know the ACLU still hasn't picked up his case.

Mader wanted to do the right thing in the incident reported in the OP, but sadly that kind of thing gets more people killed. You have a mentally distraught man with a gun, a 911 hangup from the same residence from a female, and the guy is now literally waving the gun around, and you still haven't addressed the threat. If you wait for him to aim down the sites, you are too late, and people die.

[1]http://www.heraldstaronline.com/news/local-news/2016/09/weir...

CoderCop··on A Military-Trained Policeman, Fired for Being Less Hasty to Shoot
Cop of 6 years here. One use of force incident (Crazy guy swung a stick at me, wrestled him to the ground without so much as punching him)

This cop needed to be fired. Human action is faster than reaction. A person holding an un-holstered weapon down at their side can draw, fire, and get 2-3 accurate shots off, before someone who is aiming down the sights, ready to fire, can recognize the movement and fire his own weapon.

Use of force is judged by what the officer knew at the time, and what a reasonable officer would have done with that experience. Dude has a gun, is raising the gun at you. Yeah, its probably a suicide by cop. If its not, or if hes tired of you not killing him, he will kill you before you can do anything about it. Now you have a dead police officer, and the murderer has an extra gun, extra ammo, etc.

This guy needed to be fired. Some of the best cops I have seen have been military/combat vets. Some of the worst have been as well. It is my understanding he had other issues than just this situation, but I can't cite that at the moment