YetAnotherNick

Is opening church cheaper than running open models?

> This is not true at all.

In what sense is it not true?

> mission of the church and mission of the ai being the same is absurd

Did I claim that?

I just said any point you wrote against church representing powerful few is applicable to AI.

Everything you say apply to the AI. Even more so that there are very good open models which anyone can host and get almost exact same power.

This is so obviously wrong I don't know how this theory got popular. OpenAI had everything from compute to brand name to contracts. Sam wasn't the reason the money was coming, employees and OpenAI were. Even if Sam bought them money, board could still tell the reason of firing Sam rather than keeping it a secret.

And why did Ilya flip? He doesn't have much to gain by being in non profit when he could get more money elsewhere.

Then they should have made the position clear to the public, or at the very least have some communication with the employees. It's not hard to say that they were against Sam for some particular reason, if they are firing him. At least if the reason is good that might have given them some credibility.

And why did Ilya become Sam lover after 2 days?

The irony is that this is the most AI generated, agreeable and no substance article. And the only ones who are upvoting it are the people who are against those.

Does so many people in HN just upvote by title?

If the collude to say make the price $1000 for a component that costs them $100(including opportunity costs), then either a new company or a greedy company in the collusion can make their price secretly $900 and get massively more profit.

Right now their opportunity cost is too high.

> risky it is to spin up a new fab

You don't need a new fab. You can build memory in 20 years old fab.

Because house is part of economy. Crypto went from $4T market cap to $2T and no wide impact was observed. Same will be true for $4T AI market cap.

Why can't someone ask what happened in Ilya's mind. Firing Sam and then signing the solidarity letter of Sam to leave OpenAI if was fired. Other than that, all other information seems kind of just going over the surface.

But inference is increasing dramatically. Google says they now do inference of 3.2 quadrillion tokens per month, 7x increase in a year.

Claude code and others are here to grow even if they don't do any further training.

Because in 2008 ordinary everyday people invested in overvalued things like house.

> That's the only market that will recoup the program costs.

No. If it is just $15B I can think of dozens different usecases ranging from military applications(fast transportation, it is the cheapest ICBM) to asteroid deflection to moon mining to science applications to space datacenter.

Are you seriously thinking $15B is big? Artemis by comparison has spent $93B and has cost of $4B per launch.

Loss to who? Now all of a sudden, we are caring about investors and sovereign funds?

And I think we passed the threshold for crash down for AI, even if AI companies wont be that profitable. Nvidia/cloud providers will be profitable as long as there is demand for AI.

You are comparing two different model. It's like saying roadster is more expensive than model S. No model pricing actually increased, and I am using GPT-4o in the same price as it was before.

You can see price vs performance in artificial analysis and the the pareto optimal is all just 6 months old model.

Also if I were to guess the damages because of sci hub is higher than Anthropic training the models. I don't think I know anyone who didn't bought a book because the summary is available or they can ask about it to AI.

No. Anthropic fought and paid $1.5 billion in settlement and agreed to delete all the copyrighted material.

We were talking about winning commercially, not on model quality.

Well China is consistently 6 months behind the frontier labs(possibly because they can they harvest data from released frontier models). If the scaling continues, US will win, but if not then China will win as the models will converge.

Those legal and IT departments of companies favours Microsoft and Amazon, as they are sure they won't get any issue with regulation, or if they do they are the ones who can have better legal representation than a small open source self hosted software.

There is just no reason to believe European companies are any better in data privacy. I signed up for Hetzner once and they asked for my passport. Any American company doing that would be bashed so hard here.

Later in the article:

> The act is not limited to companies based in the United States.

> this instills an enormous amount of trust

So you are saying the reason that it is just perceived better?

Even that's quite debatable as I worked in few European companies and has never faced any backlash for choosing US vendor. Biggest European tech companies like Mistral and Klarna use many US vendors like AWS.

> Digital sovereignty sounds like a buzzword until you think

Sure now just think and give me the reason. All these moving to Europe post is getting tiring. Amazon follows the same EU rules, if not more, than Scaleway.

The thesis of the space datacenter is that energy is the expensive thing not silicon. If it's silicon it doesn't matter anyways if you run it on ground or space. And energy might be cheaper on space.

But if solar panel is significantly cheaper and latency doesn't matter you can have servers in any part of the world. Even if they are not up 50% of the time due to limited battery it would still be cheaper.

I think it is fair to blame Github if they repackage other services. We run a much smaller service than Github and have all sort of fallbacks to different providers and different models.

Instead of spending time making product tour, add a info to each button or show the detail when user hover for 2 seconds. Most product miss that and I don't know what exactly the button does until I click on it. I don't know what "hide" and "past" does in HN even after being here for years.

There has never ever been a case that AI has resolved my query, except the simple decision tree for things like refund. Have you got any positive experience with gen AI in any of the site?

I said better sensitivity and specificity. Not better accuracy.

Assume if you know for certain that AI has better senstivity and specificity than your local physician for the particular diagnosis, which likely would be the case now or in few years. Would you purposefully get inferior consultation just because of Hippocatic oath?

So when there is no rain you let the cattle die? Feed on other people's land? By that logic even server's water can come from rain.

> Around 14 percent of the 3 670 km3 of freshwater withdrawn each year for the irrigation of crops and pasture is allocated to produce feed items for livestock

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