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Great work, Alex and team!

Thanks, Glosster. Please keep the ideas coming.

Thank you, everyone, who participated in the discussion! That thread led to us making an awesome update of our pricing (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20876256). Early on we were really concerned about our business model. Looking at what’s happened to Graph.cool, Parse, and Scaphold, we didn’t want to die from a free-tier that no-one ever leaves. That’s why we started with launching the 30-day free trial over a free-tier.

We’ve worked hard to find a middle ground based on the HN feedback. So the good news is we’ve changed our pricing for developers by making the following updates.

FREE TIER! It allows developers to build using almost all of 8base's features; free-forever but throttling the API. This makes everything on the backend/console usable while not supporting production use.

Our $8 plan was renamed as HOBBYIST and we’ve introduced a new $49/mo plan called DEVELOPER. The new plan has better limits at lower prices per unit and lets developers utilize their own auth provider – which used to be on the $149/mo plan.

We 10X’d storage for the same price in every plan and reduced charges for overages.

To accommodate long-running jobs, we've changed the way we charge for serverless functions to a combination of memory usage and time (Giga-byte minutes).

I hope these updates put a smile on a few faces! Cause the haters gonna hate...

Albert

Thank you. Please let us know how you like it.

Thank you!

Yes, it has. I'm still pretty sure we have more to learn from what users think so I am eager to hear feedback. Please bring it on!

Yes, these new commands will be very elegant and super efficient for devs, saving tons of work and making things more memory and bandwidth-efficient on the front-end.

Thanks, gqlfan. We have some new capabilities coming up soon related to groupings and aggregations which are going to be a HUGE enhancement to our GraphQL engine. Stay tuned!

Thanks, Bluebyrd on all accounts.

Thanks, RMacy. Please let us know how to keep improving and we will make it happen.

Let us know once you do.

Glad you like it!

Thanks. Any specific features you are referring to?

Thank you!

Thanks. Be on the lookout for lots of improvements to the SDK, as well.

Thanks, Mark. Yes, the $49 plan was really needed as the step from $8 to $149 was just too big of a leap.

About eight weeks ago I hopped on here and announced 8base to HN - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20876256. Thank you, everyone, who participated in the discussion! That thread led to us making an awesome update.

Early on we were really concerned about our business model. Looking at what’s happened to Graph.cool, Parse, and Scaphold, we didn’t want to die from a free-tier that no-one ever leaves. That’s why we started with launching the 30-day free trial over a free-tier.

We’ve worked hard to find a middle ground based on the HN feedback. So the good news is we’ve changed our pricing for developers by making the following updates.

FREE TIER! It allows developers to build using almost all of 8base's features; free-forever but throttling the API. This makes everything on the backend/console usable while not supporting production use.

Our $8 plan was renamed as HOBBYIST and we’ve introduced a new $49/mo plan called DEVELOPER. The new plan has better limits at lower prices per unit and lets developers utilize their own auth provider – which used to be on the $149/mo plan.

We 10X’d storage for the same price in every plan and reduced charges for overages.

To accommodate long-running jobs, we've changed the way we charge for serverless functions to a combination of memory usage and time (Giga-byte minutes).

I hope these updates put a smile on a few faces! Cause the haters gonna hate...

Thanks Albert

Nice job integrating Cloudinary, 8base and AWS Translate.

Gremlinsinc, please email me at albert@8base.com as I'd like to chat with you about this some more if you are up for it. Thank you.

Andric, please email me at albert@8base.com as I'd like to chat with you about this some more. Thank you.

johnnyballgame, thanks so much for chiming in. I'm thrilled to hear you are using 8base with Gatsby. The team had a call with Jason Lengstorf recently to figure out exactly how to support this! As of now, you'll need to stick with the "gatsby-source-graphql" plugin. We'll work on some example content for creating statis pages at build time asap!

Best of luck, Benjie. Yes, let's connect at the next one for sure!

Thanks for the kind words, Ilyalazarev. We don't publish a public roadmap but here are a few teasers of what is coming in the next few months: 1) For our advanced users we will be releasing the ability to create and manage views and indexes on the data. The views are totally GraphQL enabled. 2) Brand new user administration and user invitation capability. 3) Native Salesforce.com integration - Ability to expose a company's Salesforce.com instance via GraphQL and cross-connected with 8base data.

Lots more...

Yes, we will consider these and welcome other ideas.

Andric, this is great feedback and we appreciate it. As you probably know, pricing is a bit of an experiment as a company evolves so we are listening 100%.

Thanks dosh1965, we love the things people have done with Cloudinary and 8base. Glad to see were are supporting in Barecelona!

get together with people who have the same problem you have. More and more there are groups of founders in different places around the world that not only support each other emotionally but also with best practices.

Swagger! In my experience, it is a function of strong preparation from both a product and pitch perspective. Technical founders tend to focus on the deficiencies in their product rather than the strengths when selling. It may make them feel embarrassed and lack confidence. the best medicine is to do as much as you can to bolster the product so you are confident it is valuable and then make the pitch fit your audience and your personality. And most importantly, put yourself in the sales situation over and over again and when someone says "no," you say "next" and move on to the next deal not reading into the rejection.

Great question. 8base's developer experience is different than Hasura's, including that we provision infrastructure so that devs aren't required to have AWS/Heroku/other skills nor pay for that separately. Ease of use is a big thing. There's significant differences in the GraphQL engine itself, role-based-security, integrations of external systems and more. Our roadmaps will diverge dramatically in the next 12 months as 8base rolls out more and more application infrastructure services.

Another way to put it is that Hasura is mostly about enabling GraphQL on Postgres; 8base is the backend for powerful, enterprise-grade (when necessary) software. GraphQL is an essential design detail for us but not the business or product itself.

Regarding your comment about freemium; I've seen many backend products falter, pivot, and shut down from having unsustainable business models. We are offering a robust plan for $8 / month to start. If developers agree with us that their DX is better, then $8 shouldn't be an issue as their time is more costly. But we appreciate what you are saying and are watching this closely.

Thanks Lisa. Patience is a virtue! I have never had a lot of it but with a self-service product, We are competing against the entire Internet and none of us have the time to fiddle with half baked products.