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Anshul from the Codeium team here! As our FAQs clearly state, only Chat currently uses OpenAI APIs - our flagship Autocomplete capability (think free Github Copilot) uses proprietary in-house trained models and no APIs. We are upfront about this and because we want to guarantee users’ code security preferences, if you have disabled code snippet telemetry, we actually do not allow you to use Chat for this exact reason - we cannot guarantee what OpenAI does with your data, and we never want to accidentally expose this.

We are working on building our own models for Chat to remove this dependency, so you can use Chat while still guaranteeing privacy.

Oh and none of this affects Autocomplete, so downloading Codeium and disabling code snippet telemetry will still give users tons of value :)

yes. indexing and search happens on your machine, nothing sent over network

that's fair - the point was less about the model and more about the fact that your code is not sent anywhere because it all happens locally

ill start commenting on other things - i usually just upvote on things that i find interesting but dont know enough to comment on

sorry! on a previous post, someone encouraged me to just post when Codeium was relevant, didn't realize the norms around launch threads.

and wrt the other comment, it is totally accurate - changing developer behavior for these search products is tough! we welcome any ideas :)

From the Codeium (https://www.codeium.com) team here!

Exciting to see more teams take on the code search problem - modern pure regex definitely is a suboptimal solution.

Just to objectively highlight some of the similarities and differences between Bloop and Codeium Search (Codeium also provides Autocomplete) to a user:

- Both are free for individuals

- Both use a mix of AI and regex

- Bloop has both free local and paid cloud offerings, Codeium only works locally (but therefore doesn't work as well on super large codebases)

- Codeium uses custom proprietary embedding models so no dependency on OpenAI and no code is sent to a third party AI

Yes, thus the question :)

Codeium already has this enterprise option, with self-hosting, fine-tuning, and even things like search on top of autocomplete and way more IDEs: https://codeium.com/

How are you different?

they're complementary! codeium works like copilot, constantly autocompleting what you want to type next, which helps a lot when you already have a decent idea of what you need to get done and need to get it done faster. chatgpt (and chat interfaces in general) help you get some ideas on what to do when you are doing more open-ended exploration, and is explicitly invoked. as developers, we all code in these different "modes" and different tools can be built for each!

this is really cool and well done. i will start using it in conjunction with Codeium's plugin (free Copilot alternative): https://github.com/Exafunction/codeium.vim

for transparency: I'm from the Codeium team, and we are big fans of getting this AI gen tech to all developers on all IDEs for free - we've also open sourced an emacs plugin: https://github.com/Exafunction/codeium.el

exciting! we built (no pun intended) something similar as a free functionality in Codeium (https://www.codeium.com/waitlist/codeium-search) - we just soft launched so anyone on VSCode can opt in to it

it's cool to see other attempts as well. natural language search done properly can definitely accelerate developers by a ton

Codeium has a self hosted enterprise solution that gives the enterprise the ability to fine tune on their repos within that self hosted instance!

VS is on the roadmap, Notepad++ isn't something currently on the roadmap, but we'd be totally open if someone wants to write an open source plugin for it, just like we did for Vim/Neovim (https://github.com/Exafunction/codeium.vim) and are planning on doing with Emacs!

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah the playground is a bit limited as it is for demo purposes.

We are fans of ChatGPT and think that ChatGPT is pretty complementary to tools like Copilot and Codeium. ChatGPT is helpful for longer form exploratory questions from natural language while Codeium in its current form is great to accelerate your coding.

our own!

haha we'll have it out polished in the next week or so :P

if you want an actual enterprise solution with in-customer-tenant/on-prem hosting, check out Codeium (https://www.codeium.com/enterprise)

disclaimer: i'm from the Codeium team. but really, we will even ship you a physical box if that level of data security is important to you

To each their own! We were motivated to blog about it by others who have had issues like this: https://daverupert.com/2023/02/solved-the-case-of-the-bing-b...

And at the end of the day, we got a lot of great SEO tips here. Thanks HN!

I understand the sentiment and why it might come across that way, but we genuinely have gotten a lot more reasonable pointers in these comments than we were able to rack our brains about. And it seems like SEO attacks, Bing incompetence, and Bing actually going after some terms (like Chrome) actually have happened, and the main point here was that we genuinely don't get any feedback from Bing.

oof that's rough. good to know what it took for you though, thanks!

yep, DDG is honestly what got us worrying about this due to its popularity in dev circles, which is who we are trying to reach

Yeah someone else brought up webpage performance, which we will totally look into - definitely haven't fully tested on cheaper hardware. And wrt text, we have lots of blog posts, FAQ, etc to make sure that the term "codeium" amongst others appears a lot.

Not sure what you mean here - our product does show up in the first position in Bing, it's just not our website, it's our listing on the VSCode marketplace. Our actual website doesn't even show up on Bing at all, irrespective of ranking.

thats unfortunate. yeah, we will submit a ticket - thanks for the pointer

Oh interesting stats, we will look into that. We actually have lots of blog posts with text so not sure about that one though.

We actually worked out the math - we don't use any external APIs like OpenAI (use our own models) so those costs aren't prohibitive, and we have a bunch of experience as a team building scalable ML systems, so we have driven down the serving costs by a lot.

We answer this partially in the "How do you plan to make money?" question in our FAQ: https://www.codeium.com/faq

tl;dr potential pro plan for additional features (keep autocomplete free) and enterprise offering

Why would Bing require a robots.txt when all the other major search engines are fine with a sitemap.xml? Or are these separate somehow?

We did sign up for Webmaster tool, verified the site, and did the few things that they told us to do :(

The strange thing is that other search engines like Baidu and Yandex get this right...

Here's the blog post where we made the comparison: https://www.codeium.com/blog/code-assistant-comparison-copil...

As a tl;dr there is very little reason to pay for Tabnine. Copilot is far superior in the realm of paid products, and Codeium is comparable to Copilot.