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An the lawsuits are there because people recognized that if the place were left as it were, discrimination would persist.

Well, good for you, because being Black in america is a choice. You can choose to select black as your race. Why not do it? You would have the advantages of affirmative action and none of the disadvntages of actually having black skin. Surely the perks are worth crossing that 'black' checkbox in the forms?

That's basically the problem - you don't understand. You don't understand that black men can't just go into the clubs that white people can, you don't understand that when white people meet black people, their faces are slightly less relaxed.

Take a trip as a white guy to Asia or Africa or somewhere. You are the pinnacle of society.

And we're not even talking Barack Obama mixed race, try being a real black person for a while. The systematic racism and discrimination is still there.

And when it comes to women - how many of your elected officials are women. That's democracy - the people choose the men.

If the world were equal, I would happily say all form of positive discimination should be abolished. But it's not equal - it's still a terribly unjust place.

When the playing field is very clearly level. And right now, it's really not. Go to small towns in the U.S south and see how black people live. And go ask women how they are treated in companies.

Exactly. So you believe your life would be better and easier if you were black or a woman, right? Would you agree to be black if it were possible right now?

The problem is really that you likely have not been anything else apart from a male WASP. See, there is no institution working against you. These things you are complaining about not getting are not the main product, they are shortcuts. A scholarship is not the normal way of studying, it's a shortcut way, for people who have something working against them.

A woman (and a black guy) have institutions against them. They go somewhere, and they are instantly assumed to be less competent. That's why these things are given to them - to help out the weak, not to push YOU down. Those things are legs-up to equalise the playing field - you, as a WASP already are at the starting line, asking to get those things is to get another 10 yards.

And no, it's not a socio-economic program. If you took a white bum and a black bum, and you cleaned them up and dressed them nice and sent them to interview, the white will likely get more jobs than the black guy. There is an inherent issue that non-WASPs have to deal with.

A poor black kid from a farm and a poor white kid from a farm don't have the same chances of succeeding in life. The white kid is neutral (everything is always open to him), but the black kid has things working against him right from the start.

It's going to be difficult for you to understand because you have never BEEN a woman in a managerial position. You have never BEEN a black guy applying for jobs.

Let's do this test: Imagine I say you'll get ALL the perks that black people get from the government, do you think you will have a better life being black?