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bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
ISP physical addresses were not posted, only the ASN was. Look at the original post.

22773 ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC, US

5432 PROXIMUS-ISP-AS, BE

577 BACOM, CA

This is the layout of what was posted. These are not even addresses.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
It was to show that we had a lot of users in Asia, yet none of them were using our servers in Asia.

I find it kind of crazy that people here are doing all these mental gymnastics to justify Discord's behavior.

ISPs are not considered personal information. There is no reasonable way to de-anonymize it when there are thousands to millions of customers per ISP.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
I'm sorry but you seem to be on the extreme end of the privacy spectrum that few people agree with.

If everyone agreed with you, this post would have been deleted off hacker news as well.

If you follow the logic of "information connected to people" however indirect, nobody would be allowed to post any visitor statistics and that is clearly absurd.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
Showing an ISP is NOT personal information, full stop.

If I say *Comcast* are you going to be able to track me down? No. There are millions of Comcast subscribers. Even if it was an ISP of 1 customer, that still isn't personal information. If the ISP happens to leak the customer information from social engineering, that's on the ISP, not me.

All ASNs are considered to be public information. You are required by internet registry rules to be listed in a public database for everyone to see. As far as I can tell, most people would agree that listing stats like this is not considered personal information.

I did not joke about it in any way. I showed people a list to demonstrate that we had a lot of users from Asia yet they did not use our servers in Asia. Even if I did joke about it, it still doesn't make this personal information.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
It was just a list of ASNs. There was no other information that would allow you to connect them to a user.

And it was also not "malicious" as described by their email to me.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
It's obviously not a venture capital funded startup, but it's far more than $500/month. We have dedicated servers all over the world and buy transit. And I'd still consider this to be relevant to Hacker News even if our expenses were only $100/month. Some startups don't even spend that much.
bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
We have 40+ servers, the ASNs did not have any other information tied to it like usernames as I had already mentioned.

This is a clear case of gross negligence by Discord.

Even if there was a potential privacy concern, that does not warrant an instant ban with no warning especially from a 7 year old account that is in charge of a Discord server for thousands of users and paying Discord $95/month in the form of boosts.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
That might have been true before, but there are viable competitors popping up.
bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
It is related to gaming, but we handle large amounts of money to keep our servers running, as well as providing revenue to Discord in the form of "boosts". It should be relevant to people running startups here.
bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
Yes it is very possible. I have also posted asns in private channels before and nothing ever happened. It was only after I posted it in a public channel that I got banned.

There are a few competitors that are really jealous of our success.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
Ok and what if randomly one day they get banned? They lose 90% of their customers that don't want to move off Discord?
bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
I am quite confident that it was this activity. It is the only thing that fit this description:

"Your account maliciously shared or participated in the sharing of the personal or private information of another user."

It was also the only message of mine that was deleted in the past week.

bottiger1··on PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs
It was deleted by the discord support. I presume it was deleted when I got banned. I don't have a screenshot of what it was before because there is no way to log all activity on discord, nor did I expect to get banned.

You can confirm the contents of the message from the people talking about it here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F49XZ4zaEAErD3J?format=png&name=...

And yes this is also a campaign to get my account unbanned and also a PSA that you should be thinking about alternatives to Discord like Slack. The moderation and support system displayed here is atrocious.