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[0] https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/208477#discuss...
Zod's releasing CI was never triggered and it was not vulnerable to this kind of attack. It uses environment-scoped trusted publishing, so a regular push credential is not enough to trigger releasing. There's a security writeup from the NPM team here[0], though it strongly implies that malicious versions of Zod and Standard Schema were caught by their malware scanner. That's not the case. The attacker was not able of triggering Zod's release CI in the first place. I clarified this in my followup comment[1] and asked them to pick more accurate wording to avoid unnecessary FUD like this.
It seems like a git push credential, probably an SSH key, was exfiltrated from my local computer. The attacker used this to try to push malicious versions of Zod, Standard Schema, and nub. The release workflows for Zod and Standard Schema were not vulnerable against this. (Nub was, however, a release run was triggered, and npm's malware detector did flag it and prevent publication.)
It seemed shady to scrub the commits from history, and it still isn't obvious that doing so is better from a security standpoint. But since there are concerns around git bisect, etc, I've done so anyway. v4.6.6 will lose provenance, v4.6.7 is being released.
Since I don't know exactly what else what compromised, I've also done a fresh OS re-install and rotated all creds present on the old machine at the time of the compromise. All my packages have been switched over to staged publishing, which requires 2FA for any release.
Ironically this likely happened due to some work on an OS-level sandbox for Nub's package manager, designed to limit the blast radius of malicious lifecycle scripts. The attack is consistent with an more primitive precursor to the modern Shai-Hulud-style worms. While working on the sandbox, an ersatz agent likely executed a compromised version of some package on npm in a test run. I had safeguards against this (filtering out any OSV-flagged packages, etc) but perhaps there's an undiscovered malicious package. Future work on this feature will happen on an isolated VM.
[0] https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/208477
[1] https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/208477#discuss...
You can also move over to Nub from pnpm incrementally if you want the performance or security wins. It has complete pnpm compatibility: flag for flag identical CLI, reads and writes from your pnpm-lock.yaml, and respects your expecting configs completely. Nub and pnpm can be used simultaneously by different teammates without lockfile churn. This is a key design goal, and its what I mean by "incrementally adoptable". But yeah `nub install` will almost certainly work in your repo out of the box. (File an issue otherwise.)
https://nubjs.com/docs/install/pnpm
Same is true for npm, yarn, and bun as well. It detects your current package manager (based on package.json#packageManager or lockfile existence) and runs in "compatibility mode" for that specific package manager.
We've already pulled changes since that PR landed.
Nub could absolutely support a config file and use it to set NODE_OPTIONS or flags in the node child process. There's no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater due to DX concerns like this. That's a key part of the concept Nub is trying to prove. (To be clear I'm quite content to conform to Node's no-config-file policy at the moment.)
NODE_COMPAT=0 nub index.ts
nub --node index.ts
I'll investigate a `nub build` that would do the transpilation upfront and properly chunk/bundle a prod build. It's a good idea. But yes, Nub's overhead (both time and space) is generally negligible relative to Node itself.Re: added attack surface: the most obvious one is that Nub loads .env files (same as Bun/Next/Vite) so be aware of that. All of Node's permission flags are passed through as well. I won't claim there's no additional attack surface, but it doesn't have much surface area, just a Rust wrapper that spawns `node` ultimately.
Relatedly Node.js recently (2025) introduced a synchronous version of its resolver hook registration API (`module.registerHooks()`) specifically to improve performance over the old async `module.register()` API. It was a big unblocker for Nub. For the interested, the async API added 19ms fixed registration overhead + about 130us additional overhead per import.
Which flag Nub uses here doesn't impact userland at all, TLA is supported wherever it's supported by Node.js itself.
FROM node:26-slim
RUN npm i -g @nubjs/nub
Works with any Node version down to 18.19 but recommend 22.15+ for best performance (that's when synchronous registerHooks was introduced[0])[0] https://nodejs.org/api/module.html#moduleregisterhooksoption...
The other pieces of the toolkit could absolutely be used: package manager, script runner, package runner. Works with anything that implements the Node module resolution algorithm (actually Yarn PnP also works out of the box...).
> Perhaps publish a 4.x along with the 3.x stuff
You have some misconceptions about how npm works. Unfortunately it's less reasonable than you think. There's a single `latest` tag, and there's only one "latest" version at a time. It's expected that successive versions here will follow semver. Once I publish zod@4 I can no longer publish additional zod@3.x.x versions. The workaround here is to publish v3 versions to a separate dist tag (zod@three) but anyone consuming that dist-tag (e.g. "zod": "three" in their package.json) loses the ability to specify a semver range.
I recommend reading the writeup[0]. I don't think you're appreciating the magnitude of the disruption a simple major version bump would have caused, or the reasons why this approach is necessary to unlock continuity for Zod's ecosystem libraries. They're quite subtle.
Report back about that .d.ts issue. It should be far better. That kind of type explosion usually happens when TypeScript needs to infer function/method return types. Zod 4 uses isolatedDeclarations so this kind of thing shouldn't happen.
I like your library! Put in a PR to add it to the ecosystem page :)
Let's say a library is trying to implement an `acceptSchema` function that can accepts `Zod3Type | Zod4Type`. For starters: those two interfaces won't both be available if Zod 3 and Zod 4 are in separate packages. So that's already a non-starter. And differentiating them at runtime requires knowing which package is installed, which is impossible in the general case (mostly because frontend bundlers generally have no affordance for optional peer dependencies).
I describe this in more detail here: https://x.com/colinhacks/status/1922101292849410256
Regarding the versioning: I wrote a fairly detailed writeup here[0] for those who are interested in the reasons for this approach.
Ultimately npm is not designed to handle the situation Zod finds itself in. Zod is subject to a bunch of constraints that virtually no other libraries are subject to. Namely, the are dozens or hundreds of libraries that directly import interfaces/classes from Zod and use them in their own public-facing API.
Since these libraries are directly coupled to Zod, they would need to publish a new major version whenever Zod does. That's ultimately reasonable in isolation, but in Zod's case it would trigger a "version avalanche" would just be painful for everyone involved. Selfishly, I suspect it would result in a huge swath of the ecosystem pinning on v3 forever.
The approach I ended up using is analogous to what Golang does. In essence a given package never publishes new breaking versions: they just add a new subpath when a new breaking release is made. In the TypeScript ecosystem, this means libraries can configure a single peer dependency on zod@^3.25.0 and support both versions simultaneously by importing what they need from "zod/v3" and "zod/v4". It provides a nice opt-in incremental upgrade path for end-users of Zod too.
Ultimately you're right that npm doesn't work well to manage the situation Zod finds itself in. But Zod is subject to a bunch of constraints that virtually no other libraries are subject to. There are dozens or hundreds of libraries that directly import interfaces/classes from "zod" and use them in their own public-facing API.
Since these libraries are directly coupled to Zod, they would need to publish a new major version whenever Zod does. That's ultimately reasonable in isolation, but in Zod's case it would trigger a "version avalanche" would just be painful for everyone involved. Selfishly, I suspect it would result in a huge swath of the ecosystem pinning on v3 forever.
The approach I ended up using is analogous to what Golang does. In essence a given package never publishes new breaking versions: they just add a new subpath when a new breaking release is made. In the TypeScript ecosystem, this means libraries can configure a single peer dependency on zod@^3.25.0 and support both versions simultaneously by importing what they need from "zod/v3" and "zod/v4". It provides a nice opt-in incremental upgrade path for end-users of Zod too.