davewiner

Nothing changed in my view about the relationship between outlining and general writing tools. Fargo is an almost exact clone of the outliner I created in 1987.

Here's something I wrote recently on the subject.

http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordPro...

I'm doing the best I can, I don't feel any animosity toward you, I don't know where that's coming from.

Peace..

We started a mail list for Dropbox users to find the software you're talking about. Maybe you'll join the list and post some links.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dropbox-u...

Note I tried not to be enthusiastic about your comment. Didn't work. ;-)

Workflowy is great.

In Fargo, if you want to move an item to the same level as its parent there are four ways to do it:

1. Shift-Tab.

2. Cmd-L.

3. Drag it to the left with the mouse.

4. Choose the Move Left command from the Outliner menu (useful on tablets and phones).

Thanks for the kind words Eric! :-)

You can most definitely read about it before installing.

We have two buttons, one takes you to a product backgrounder and the other takes you to Dropbox. No one forces you to go one way or the other.

I really appreciate the enthusiasm, as co-founder of the company and one of two developers of the product.

However, you can't at this time edit full JavaScript apps in Fargo, you can run single lines of code using Cmd-/.

We do plan to make it a JS development tool, we use it that way ourselves, but first we want to release the server-side component.

It is today a very good workgroup tool. Here's a doc that explains how to set it up for a workgroup.

http://smallpicture.com/fargoWorkgroup.html

Dave

Click on the wedge in front of the item to be sure you're in structure mode. Then hit Backspace, or Cmd-X to cut.

This kind of stuff is explained in the Outliner Howto.

http://smallpicture.com/outlinerHowto.html

Glad you like it -- it is really useful. ;-)

Workflowy is an excellent product, but having the outlines in Dropbox means you have copies of the files locally and can share them with other apps that work with OPML, which is a fairly standard file format among outliners.

Glad you like it! :-)

I've added your suggestion to our list of feature requests.

You can use just the outliner here:

http://littleoutliner.com/

That's exactly the same outliner as in Fargo, using localStorage only.

The other consideration is that Fargo only gets access to a sub-folder of your Apps folder in your Dropbox. The folder is created just for the app.

So it's very well sandboxed.

Tweets do have recipients, which makes them different from a web page.

At the next level up from the one you describe it is very much a protocol.

Users get to decide whose tweets they follow and don't. And senders can block receivers if they want to. Twitter may have a very small something to say about that (spam, community standards) but for the most that's a free choice on the part of both the sender and the receiver.

I still use it too, but I stopped developing new stuff using their APIs a couple of years ago.

Next month they're probably going to break my last app that uses their API, and then it's going to create a tough choice for me.

Do I post stuff there manually, or do I just stop pushing links through Twitter.

That's absolutely correct.

Google Reader ignored an important part of the RSS 2.0 spec, but I kept producing content that they couldn't parse, and if people used the tools that existed before GR, they didn't notice any difference, even though GR came to dominate RSS aggregators.

BTW, that's probably a reason why Twitter never could really support RSS, not because the spec didn't cover what they were doing, rather Google didn't.

Instead, Twitter stays frozen in time. There haven't been any new features for users in years. Lots of features for advertisers.

Yup -- I went looking for a piece I wrote around that time.

http://scripting.com/stories/2009/06/05/formatsAreLikeTreesM...

It was a response to TechCrunch saying RSS is dead, and Twitter's protocol was the new thing.

I was sure they were wrong because of the same thing we're observing about PG's piece.

The protocols last forever, it's the companies that die.

It's not just Twitter clients anymore. Basically they're constantly turning off pieces of the protocol, or so effectively limiting them that they're turned off.

For example, it's no longer legal to display a tweet unless you use their rendering.

If you had asked anyone at Twitter in 2009 if they would ever do that, they would have (probably) said no.

PG was right, then -- it had all the trappings of a new internet protocol, and therefore was almost a miracle. Except for the catch, which he also noticed -- that a private company could change the deal at any time. And they did.

Maybe you just misunderstood. When I said I am nice to people who are nice to me, that doesn't mean they agree with me on everything or even most things.

I have a friend who is a Republican, and has many political views that I find abhorrent. However, he's an incredible thinker and doer when it comes to technology, and a great story-teller. I totally enjoy hanging out with him. I even like talking politics with him, and he seems like it too. Debating that kind of stuff with him is more about exercising my mind than emotions.

I am unusually interested in differing opinions, most people aren't. Some even think that if you disagree with them, that you are somehow disrespecting them, they take it personally. I am not one of those people.

So you've really got it wrong Mr or Ms DeMachina.

You might want to take a look at your process, because in this case it's yielded a very incorrect result. You could never debug a program the way you've tried to understand who I am.

About Marissa Mayer, I don't know her well enough to know how she takes criticism, and I have no idea how she felt about my piece. I got no response from her, nor did I expect one.

My purpose was to share some experiences I had with acquisitions, because that's what we, in the tech blogging world, were discussing that day. I wouldn't write that piece today or next week, unless there was a big buyout in an area that interested me.

I am a blogger. This is what bloggers do. If you don't like the way I blog, my guess that you probably don't like blogging much.

Anyway I don't try to be nice all the time in my blog posts, but I also dont' go out of my way to be not-nice. I really just want to explore stuff and share what I know.

Yeah that can get kind of unpleasant. ;-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

I'm not even remotely in your league when it comes to pissing people off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh8Wl37HYgQ

You're the popesquatter. ;-)

You misread my comment.

I am nice to people. Esp people who don't start out conversations saying personal and negative things about me. With that kind of beginning I either ignore them or defend myself.

Why I think anonymity correlates with cowardice? Because it does. Some things are just not worth arguing about.

If someone doesn't like the submission, why don't they just say that? Why bash me personally? I didn't submit the piece to HN. I wrote it on my blog. I didn't force anyone to read it.

A few ideas for HN to cut down on abuse.

http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/may/aSuggestionForHackerN...

Dave

If there was any truth to what you were saying you'd put your actual name on it, instead of creating disposable accounts.

One of the things they could do to make HN work better is to add a waiting period for new accounts.

Like buying a gun. You can't use the account for five days.

Maybe we can still have anonymity in the cases where whistle-blowers need to say something and be protected.

But hit and run comments like this one are what's poisoning this place.

So now we know you don't respond to critics either! :-)

They are rebuttals to nasty stuff people in this thread said that were upvoted to the top of the list. I think response to accusations should be given equal attention, esp when one of the criticisms was that "I don't respond to critics."

Can I suggest if you find it tiring that you save yourself a lot of trouble and just don't read it? You know that's what most people do with stuff they don't like. Not questioning your sanity Daniel, but come on -- really, that's much of an excuse! :-)

Okay that's cool. It's just that you said some things about me that are wrong. You seem like a nice person. Just know that I'm not who you think I am.

I get this all the time. When people hear how I talk they're suprised because it's not the voice they hear when they read my writing. But I write just the way I talk. Funny how that is. ;-)

It's a blog for crying out loud!

I've written in other contexts where it's a different tone. But that's how blogs are.

Daniel, you need to understand something -- it's a blog.

That's what blogs are about. One person's view of things.

It's not intended to be objective.

Now, you don't engage in "intellectually honest critiques."

If you think that's what you're doing, try getting a second opinion on that. You're a flamer. I don't engage with people who do that. Sorry.

I don't like your style -- I don't imagine you care about that, just as I don't care whether you like the way I write.