davewiner

I was expecting that they would support podcasts almost immediately and couldn’t believe that they never did. It was so easy, nothing to it.

This is great. RSS is springing back to life. All it need was for people to reject the hype that came largely from big companies that wanted to and did takeover,

It was designed that way, patterned after social media, where you share all that info. I wanted to see if it would work in RSS, and it came out pretty good.

We're going to have a new version pretty soon, hooking it up with RSS.chat.

Thanks for the blogroll love!

You can also see one in action on my blog's home page.

http://scripting.com/

And on a special site..

https://blogroll.social/

A blogroll is a kind of feed reader.

If it’s JSON you want, here’s my blog’s RSS feed in JSON.

http://scripting.com/rss.json

I started generating the JSON version in 2011.

http://scripting.com/stories/2011/03/17/jsonifiedRss.html

It took a few minutes to write the JSON rendering code, that’s how close the two serialization formats are, so if you want JSON, you can have it.

i'm not going to re-do all the sites i did in the 90s, 00s, 10s. never going to happen.

did you read the part about how https doesn't protect us from the browser vendor, ie google?

They tell us to worry about man-in-the-middle attacks that might modify content, but fail to mention that they can do it in the browser, even if you use a "secure" protocol. They are the one entity you must trust above all. No way around it.

You should try Caddy -- it's even easier.

Haha perfect demo! ;-)

They're breaking the web. That's the point.

All other arguments you're presenting about HTTPS being easy (it is, have you tried Caddy) are moot. It's the sites that were made before Google took over control that aren't maintained that are at issue. And the idea that a for-profit company that no one should trust is saying they're the only ones you have to trust.

And the fact that many of us adopted the web because it was a platform that no company controlled. If it had been presented as Google's platform I would have run the other way and would have advised you to do the same. But now I'm invested. My freedom as a developer depends on the integrity of the web. And a web controlled by Google isn't the web.

Google has a nasty habit of taking control of open protocols and then trashing them.

Roll up your sleeves, make some quiet time and actually READ THE DOCUMENT.

http://this.how/googleAndHttp

Breaking the web is the issue folks.

i doubt if it will come to a DMCA takedown but that is a creative an interesting idea!

maybe someone else could post an issue to their repo. but as the author of the spec i really shouldn't have to do anything to get an esteemed organization like the W3C to respect a CC license and copyright.

my perspective is that my name and copyright were removed from a document i wrote and re-published on the W3C site and that should be fixed. please don't speak for me. thanks.

of course any document can go missing, but the RSS 2.0 spec has been at that location for 20+ years and was put there specifically to preserve it over time.

and of course it's no excuse for ignoring a copyright notice and removing authorship credit.

and if harvard's website should disappear then grab a copy from archive.org. or use the github repo we created for the spec.

there are lots of backups of that spec. it would be hard to lose it. ;-)

I wrote a post about this thread. I am the author of the XML-RPC spec and co-designer of the format.

http://scripting.com/2022/07/16.html#a172934

I like the first document, circa 2009. We were doing the same thing in Frontier at the time, because as the author says, it all was a bit of a mess.

I use the feedparser package in my JS work written by my friend Dan MacTough, that hides the differences between all flavors of RSS, RDF and Atom.

https://www.npmjs.com/package/feedparser

I don't know what role you think I played in RSS, but I never had the power to change what people were doing. I could only do things in my own software and with publishing partners.

I had influence only because I had (at the time) popular products and some good ideas (like podcasting).

hmm. RSS worked pretty well for something that needed salvaging, as you say.

the mess was created by vendors who wouldn't work with each other.

i stepped back after 2.0, people could've done anything they wanted.

Maybe there's still hope for some stewardship of feeds. I have some ideas I'm playing with. I think the key is not leaving the past behind, but also not being limited by it.

I actually know what this is like, somewhat -- I had a startup that IPO'd a long time ago, and my life had been defined by my struggle to be successful, which could no longer define my life.

Now you're going to have to get systematic about finding out what you like to do, and make a good list, and when you're feeling depressed, just do one of those things. It'll lift you out the funk. It really works.

What you should not do as view the money as buying you anything other than freedom. Sure buy yourself a nice TV, car, computer, take trips, etc. But don't overdo it, live a human-size life.

One other thing, do not hire a money manager. Just invest in the S&P 500. It's the best investment possible and requires no thought.

I've been writing about this for a while, I don't repeat everything in every post, which is probably why it was confusing.

Anyway, what Twitter did is repeat the body of the tweet in the title and description sub-elements of item.

The reason they did this is probably that the dominant reader of the day, Google Reader, pretty much required titles. So when you'd read a tweet in a feed reader you'd see the text of the tweet twice. Not a good user experience.

The problem isn't with RSS, because it allows for titleless items, rather with the reader.

And that problem is still with us today because there isn't much consistency among the readers other than the Google Reader model. They are all following GR, not RSS.

And that makes tweet-like-things-in-RSS pretty much a non-starter.

For examples, look at my blog on any given day most of what's there is too short to have a title, like a tweet.

http://scripting.com/

Hope this helps.

I just unblocked and followed you.

Thanks for the respect, much appreciated. ;-)

Please don't feel bad. I was never trying to make a lot of money from the web. I had lots of opportunities to sell out. I did that once, in the 80s, and that has funded my creative work ever since. Money isn't that useful, I learned, pretty early-on. Here's a piece I wrote about that recently.

http://scripting.com/2016/05/31/1296.html

Thank you for the kind words. RSS is still a robust format with lots of news flowing through it, so we did accomplish something. And the pendulum is always swinging, so I think we may find the open web useful still, esp when the big tech companies like Google move on. ;-)

I stopped coming here a long time ago because trolls dominate. These days we understand why and how that happens, and HN is wide open to that kind of abuse, with no moderation tools.

So what changed, if it's true that now it's a place where people are respectful of other people? And where are those comments in this thread (spoiler: they're at the bottom of the list).

Anyway PLEASE let me know when the tech I have participated in is discussed here and if there's some way I can help.

For example, I'm getting a new version of the XML-RPC website ready, based on a new JavaScript implementation. A lot of people still use XML-RPC, after scripting.com it's my most popular site.

My email address is dave@scripting.com.

I'm always shipping new projects on GitHub. I have a new one I'm working on that I'm really excited about. ;-)

https://github.com/scripting?tab=repositories

If Hacker News is a good venue then I want to participate. I'm skeptical but will try to keep an open mind.

What's your Twitter handle so I can unblock. And thanks for being so reasonable about it.

Thanks. Imho if they had one it would create a more civil environment here.

I think this is the problem with letting the tech industry take ownership of open formats and protocols.

Do they have a block command on Hacker News??

And talk to them like they were human beings, which they are. ;-)

Here's how this works. Imagine you don't recall this event. And then he says about you what he said about me (I don't remember the words, and I don't want to, but sounded like I blew my top). Now further imagine that having lived with yourself a long time, you know that isn't how you react to things like that. How would you feel?

You're only telling me how you feel. But you're forgetting that I am not you. And I got a lot of that kind of childish BS. You wouldn't believe how people project on you.

One time at a party in Menlo Park, I had to go take a leak. So I walked to the bathroom, relieved myself and went back to talking with my friends. Sounds pretty ordinary right?

The next day this guy blogged about how I WALKED RIGHT BY HIM without even looking at him. He got all kinds of empathy. I had no idea who he was. I guessed that I mustve walked by him on the way to piss.

It got to the point where people would video me in parties, conversing with me with a camera in their pocket. Or when I went to a meeting at Blogger, and they video'd that, live. We were there talking business. And I got visitors at my house, that was fun. Knocking on the door wanting to know if I lived there, saying shit like this guy was saying.

As a result I pulled back and traded my influence for a bit more normal life.

I haven't even told you the worst of it. It was pretty fucked up.

So this little story here is a reminder of how fucked up people are. His memory of me, a guy who he says created software that he used and liked, is the time he treated me like an object. Sad for him, and also sad for me. And sad for the world that there are limits on how much you can do before they start hurting you for it.