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duffpkg··on Open EMR
One of the reasons Hacking Healthcare happened is the huge dearth of material for just this question, unfortunately I don't have anything else on that still. One absolutely timeless work not directly about technology but that is still very relevant is "The House of God". It is "fiction" but it is probably the most realistic depiction of the actual happenings at hospitals that exists and as a result something technologists can benefit from.
duffpkg··on Open EMR
There is a whole bunch to the behind the scenes of Medsphere and OpenVista. I am not sure what I can say except that a lot of big personalities were involved. WebVista by ClearHealth is still in use by a few very large hospital chains.
duffpkg··on Open EMR
It's Duff (David) instead of Fred but thanks. Fred is doing great too. Are you a former CHL/TXR managed or sub-owned group or facility?

Unfortunately I see the opposite trend right now, more silos, more lip service to interoperability, more tolls. I think driven by the burden of regulatory overhead. Moving forward there could be a shift to a "patient owned" record where providers and facilities feed standardized formats into a patient owned/managed "personal cloud". I hope that continues to pick up steam.

duffpkg··on Open EMR
I see. PACs which are the storage and index systems for medical "imaging" data have seen some pretty big in roads. HL7 processing has become dominated by open source. There is huge institutional inertia to overcome in any corner. You really need to offer something 10X better to get over the "no one ever gets fired for using EPIC" mentality and that's a very high bar.
duffpkg··on Open EMR
There is a lot of controversy in this area. Medicare rules are pretty clear that to the extent tools like that are used systematically to enhance bill-ability they are prohibited. Malpractice litigation is having a field day with computerized systems which is why so many states are being pressure to institute caps. Pretty much everyone tries to use templating tools to increase bill-ability to some extent. Healthcare is rife with conflicting goals.

The underlying problem is that we need an economical way for doctors to have more time to spend in the room with patients but no one, patients included, wants to pay for that.

I really hope "concierge" medicine, a lot of that now happening on the lower priced end not only for "luxury patients", continues to take off. You pay some cash out of pocket but get care that is dramatically better and more preventative.

duffpkg··on Open EMR
I have seen in healthcare more "bribery" than in any other industry I've ever worked. Whether quasi-legal in the shape of various kickbacks to outright illegal gifts of cash and goods. It is sadly endemic to the industry.

In part I think it happens more commonly because there is so much "other peoples money" in healthcare. Everyone is spending from someone elses checkbook and so transactions seem very distant.

duffpkg··on Open EMR
In hacking healthcare I talk about "the incredible bandwidth of paper". That's still true. Without really first world software and hardware in a very modern physical setting it is difficult if not impossible to solve medical problems better than pen and paper can. In the practice of medicine pen and paper are really adequate tools to deliver quality care. It is in the business of medicine where large scale data necessitates and benefits from electronification.
duffpkg··on Open EMR
I think there are plenty of open source projects with great UI but that aside I'm not sure I understand what you mean? What type of service for example?

HIPAA greatly complicates a lot of data sharing because of appropriate data privacy issues.

duffpkg··on Open EMR
Hi. James? I was CTO of Pennington Firm in that era and it was one of many industries where "internet modernization" was happening to a sort of sleepy status quo. OpenEMR with FreeB were the furthest along open source project at the time and so we started there. There were a lot of legacy type problems inherent in the OpenEMR codebase and I think the change to PHP 3 ultimately is what lead to starting fresh with ClearHealth. I'm dating myself but that's around the time that browser AJAX starting opening up a lot of UI possibilities.
duffpkg··on Open EMR
Excluding mexico where a ClearHealth derivative still, as far as I know, powers one of the large hospital chains there, no. In my personal experience the venn diagram of countries where there is not much regulation but yet it is advanced enough medically that EMR is a primary problem is pretty much zero. To put it another way most countries where regulation is low have much more pressing medical needs than software.
duffpkg··on Open EMR
I was "ringleader" (many diverse groups have been involved over the years) of the OpenEMR project in 2003-2005 and went on to create the open source ClearHealth and HealthCloud EMR (electronic medical record) systems. OpenEMR has a lot of dedicated folks in it and has been a project of some sort of another for ~25 years at this point.

You can read quite a bit about open source in healthcare in my book, Hacking Healthcare. A bit dated but still in print.

Unfortunately there are massive headwinds against open source in US healthcare settings. Regulation requires certifications that cost upwards of $100K first time, $10K with each release, just in fees. Licensed data sets also make for real difficulties in licensing. Required 3rd parties like SureScripts are openly hostile to open source. Most largest buyers of systems are institutional and most current interpretations of law make it so that open source systems cannot be sold as "sole source" which makes life very hard to close and keep those deals. Finally, until a business model emerges that favors open source and patient health, everyone makes more money with lock-in and so that perpetuates.

Ask me anything.

Can confirm, a little concerningly, that code I wrote 17 years ago is still widely present in the OpenEMR codebase including my old office number for test patients, lol.

duffpkg··on Notes on My Colon Cancer
It isn't that common in america but most of the world does colonoscopies without anesthesia. Without complicating conditions there is little more than minor discomfort and without anesthesia are very quick and much less expensive. With a little searching you should be able to find a doctor who will do the procedure that way.
duffpkg··on Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix
Arizona in general and the metro phoenix area have extraordinarily diligent road maintenance. Surface street speeds are higher and larger road sizes are also very favorable for something like robot cars.
duffpkg··on Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018)
A lot of the current situation came about because of the Hi-Tech act. This was piles of "free" government money for healthcare facilities to use software that met voluminous requirements that are ultimately vetted by off-shore contractors hired by "beltway bandit" type organizations far removed from medicine, patients, etc. The vetting costs in the neighborhood of $100k. This creates a powerful incentive for people making software to make software that is the easiest to push through the gauntlet of vetting. It also immediately ended meaningful innovation because once you have something approved you are not going to rock the boat trying new things the require another approval cycle.
duffpkg··on Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018)
thank you
duffpkg··on Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018)
It's a deep topic but I can cherry pick three big reasons for you in no particular order.

-Most hospitals and larger primary care installations are monopolies. There is not and cannot be for practical, zoning and regulatory reasons any sort of meaningful "competition". As a result most regulation and enforcement is toothless because no one wants the resulting problems of closing, even temporarily, a facility that is the only care for tens of thousands of people.

When there are no consequences for bad behaviors things tends toward a lowest common denominator. There are many examples but MLK Harbor Hospital strikes me as a particularly horrific one. It operated as one of the worst facilities in the US, by many objective and subjective measures, for 35+ years before it was finally closed.

-Healthcare, at it's base, is a resource allocation problem. When I last calculated what it would cost to provide every american with all of the healthcare they might reasonably consume which was 2019, that number was ~92 trillion dollars a year. We actually spend ~4 trillion. How do we decide who doesn't get the thing they should get at the time they should get it? We employ a pseudo-random system and as a result it is incredibly inefficient. Without getting into the deep dive that is healthcare costs I will just point out that the US has by far the largest number of acute care, ICU and trauma center services per capita anywhere in the world. For example we have seven times the number per capita that a country we are commonly compare to does, England. This is astronomically expensive. Without ultimately capping in some way the total resource expenditure per person this will continue. Is it a worthwhile use of resources to expend hundreds of thousands of dollars to extend someones life for 2 weeks? Maybe it depends on the someone, an 85 year old? An 8 year old? It's a very difficult set of questions that mostly just gets avoided.

-Patients do not have a rational sense of value when it comes to healthcare services. The US has very low taxes compared to much of the world and when you take that into account it has relatively low healthcare insurance premiums. I'm not saying they are low to people on an individual basis but it's a complex thing. Take canada. Every canadian individual including children is paying, at a minimum, ~$600 a month for healthcare in taxes. They don't think of it that way because it is lumped in to the tax bill. Many people in the US pay much less than this.

I have a friend who was recently complaining to me about a $700 ambulance bill. They were doing this as they were holding a brand new $1,000 iphone in their hand. I sat down with them and in a "napkin" spreadsheet created a fictitious ambulance service. They walked away thinking $600 was a pretty good deal. The inefficiency is patients put off a lot of things that are small due to cost. Those things dramatically exacerbate inefficiencies. See points 1 & 2.

duffpkg··on Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018)
I created the open source ClearHealth/HealthCloud EMR system, have managed hundreds of medical facilities large and small and am the author of "Hacking Healthcare". There are a lot of layers to this and competing concerns. This article is misguided at best. The quote "Doctors are among the most technology-avid people in society" is hilariously off the mark. The average age of doctors in the US is 51.

Amongst many difficult problems related to this:

-Medicare/Medicaid/Federal spending is half to 2/3 of all medical spending. They are insanely bureaucratic and simultaneously penny pinching. They require lots of things that make everyones jobs harder with no obvious benefit to anyone. They dictate in many ways how software must work in medical settings.

-Doctors in most institutions are not given an adequate amount of time to accomplish all of the things that need to be accomplished to deliver quality care and also get properly paid for the interaction. This in part is financially driven but I would say it mostly occurs because there is little to no accountability for medical systems to operate well or efficiently. In many situations there are perverse incentives to operate inefficiently.

-Doctors make an absolutely shocking amount of substantive errors, 25% of interactions or more. Preventable medical error is almost certainly in the top 5 causes of deaths in the united states.

I could go on and on but cherry picking but I think I made my point that this article looks only at one perspective of one facet of disgruntled personnel involved in a single implementation.

duffpkg··on Ask HN: What is the best Covid-19 dashboard?
I prefer more of a news feed, the purely numeric view misses a lot of context in terms of what is going on and many countries numbers are clearly disconnected from realty or total fiction. https://coronadaily.com
duffpkg··on Ask HN: What tech choices make “new” Reddit so unbearably slow?
Use i.reddit.com on mobile
duffpkg··on Cloud kitchens – commercial facilities built to produce food for delivery
Seems to me that many of the comments are failing to compare this model to the common alternative, which is a public facing restaurant. The failure rate of those is at least ~60%, so is this "cloud" model likely to be worse than that? I doubt it.

As a model, I think the customer here is not so much a food buyer but a restaurant starter and that is a bottomless well. This concept is a natural outgrowth of the current trend in quasi-legal "instagram restaurants" . It also meshes well with the fickle appetites and food trends of modern day. A cronut kitchen can sell out for 6 months and then fade into a ramen burger for another 6 months, all from the same physical kitchen.

I think that it is more sustainable than the food-truck -> sit-down-restaurant strategy that hasn't worked for more than a handful of entrepreneurs. American's love to eat a cornucopia of tastes and dishes but we absolutely hate to pay more than a nickel for it. The underlying cost structure of the cloud kitchen is more amenable to that sentiment.

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