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econner··on Big Banks Had a Spectacular Quarter Despite All the Rules
I'm betting student loans are going to have something to do with it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkcJGZfVEAEw239.jpg:large

econner··on Pressure on startups is building with IPOs and sales stalled in a funk
I live in SV and worked at a unicorn fairly early on for a few years. I understood the risk involved and tried to treat the equity as such: worth nothing until it can be sold for something no matter what it says on paper. Of course that's easier said than done.

As far as I can tell there haven't been murmurings of panic. It seems like a lot of these companies are doing ok enough. There's potential & they are "taking time to get it right" before going public. And they haven't had trouble finding large enough investment money to keep them going.

It's kind of painful to have been an employee at these places though because the wait is long. You were under compensated salary-wise relative to market while you worked there and the equity might be worth nothing or you might have to wait 8 years to see.

That's part of the reason why I next want to work at a public company where the stock actually has value when it vests.

econner··on Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board
Meanwhile all of the rank and file employees keep the lights on and the ship afloat. Wishing their on-call teams all the best.
econner··on Pinterest Raises $150M at 2015 Share Price
Twitter is 11 years old and has never made a profit even though it's been publicly traded for 4 years. It has 330M MAUs but its growth has stalled.

Pinterest is 7 years old, has close to 200M MAUs, and is still growing at a good enough pace for investors to justify this kind of valuation. Pinterest also excels in huge markets which you are probably not familiar with: recipes, weddings, fashion, and interior design.

Even though most people you know don't use it, there are still 200+ million people out there in other demographics that do use it. Probably a lot of them have never heard of Twitter :-D.

FWIW I think Twitter is undervalued as well.

econner··on TLDR Stock Options
They're still a unicorn aren't they?
econner··on Hanging up my spurs
He doesn't own any Twitter: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/15/twitter-gets-its-worst-cri...
econner··on Tesla's Musk Paid at Least $593M in Income Taxes in 2016
Wow. That's a yuge amount of income.
econner··on Tech companies should create ‘farm teams’ to close the talent deficit
Yea, I don't really understand why tech companies don't just do this with the hundreds of qualified candidates who have 4 year degrees and actual work experience that they say no to.

My guess is that it's another way to hire people who don't know what they're worth and underpay them for a few years until the employees figure it out. Kind of like what the industry already does with new grads.

econner··on IndieHackers.com acquired by Stripe
Why?
econner··on IndieHackers.com acquired by Stripe
Why do those factors prevent you from sharing? Transparency is difficult, but isn't that the whole point of Indie Hackers?
econner··on San Fran is so expensive, some tech companies can't convince employees to move
I think the other complicating piece of compensation is the potential for equity to be worth something someday. It seems to me people in SF are here to take a shot on the startup lottery much more so than other places. It's also a city where you can easily play a few lottery tickets over a few years, which is not the same elsewhere.
econner··on Silicon Valley job seekers are increasingly looking for work elsewhere
What elements of the attitude did you dislike?
econner··on Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST
I use Robinhood with a small amount of money that I am 100% ok losing. I hold a small number of tech stocks to keep me invested in their movements. Some of them have turned out better (nvidia) than others (twitter). But it does help me follow the news from those companies a little better.
econner··on Ask HN: How do you make money from your side projects?
How did you get traffic?
econner··on Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI
may
econner··on Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI
I imagine he can get away with a certain amount of name recognition w/o running the day to day of the company himself.
econner··on De-Location Package: Keep Your Career and Live Beyond the Bay Area
The grass is always greener..
econner··on If War Can Have Ethics, Wall Street Can, Too
It saddens me that we've gotten to the point of comparing Wall Street ethics to war ethics and even entertaining the idea that war has better ethics than Wall Street.
econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
Snap did a 1 to 10 stock split in July 2014 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2014/08/08/snapchat-...).

That means, today, those grants are at least 100k - 350k shares at a $0.99 strike price (assuming no other splits). Or $2,300,000 to $8,050,000.

Unless I'm missing something?

Edit: Ah the numbers above are actually too low. If you look that email also lists the percentages. 10,000 shares at that time was 0.022% which at the current valuation is actually $5,280,000 less some likely dilution.

econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
Turns out people really want nude selfies.
econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
This just can't be right.

In fact, Snap's extreme generosity to employees has already swelled the existing share count. In 2016, it awarded 105 million new restricted share units (RSUs). All of those units, plus around 80 million awarded in previous years, will vest with the IPO. Those grants will represent one in six of Snap's shares. At $16 a share–the estimated high end for the price paid by the underwriters–those grants will enrich its 1,859 employees by $2.9 billion, averaging $1.5 million per person, although the rewards are, as usual, heavily skewed towards the top brass. And that's just a taste of what's coming.

http://fortune.com/2017/02/22/snap-ipo-dilution/

econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
Yea, I can't see it being this low either.
econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
Let's say you started in 2013 when Snap's valuation was $800M. You were granted $80K (0.01% of the company). This is likely a very low estimate given what I've heard about snap equity. Snap raised good rounds so dilution isn't much of a concern. Snap went up 35x in value. As of today your equity would be worth ~$2.8M.
econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
It's interesting to compare the two IPOs. Twitter opened at $26 and closed at $44 at a valuation of $25bn. Twitter had $650M revenue in 2013 for EBITDA of -$525M. Snap closed at $28bn valuation, had $404M in revenue in 2016, and EBITDA of -$460M. Twitter had roughly 100M DAUs and 230M MAU whereas Snap has 150M DAU and over 300M MAU. Snap is also 2 years younger than Twitter was and the number of minutes spent on the platform per user is much higher.

So, all the numbers are wacky and who knows.

econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
Ah ok, so the company makes an exception to the lockup period for IPO participation? How do they typically decide who gets to participate?
econner··on Snap Jumps in Debut After App Maker Raises $3.4B in IPO
> They had a pretty large participating contribution (50M shares as I recall) so that is a bunch of money that paid off some folks who might have been skittish.

Could you explain what this means a little more? What is a participating contribution in this context? Are these shares employees were able to sell in the IPO?

econner··on Snap values itself at nearly $24B with its IPO pricing
This techcrunch article has what you're after: https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/02/slowchat/.

They say growth slowed from 7% QOQ to 3.2% QOQ. Having only 3.2% Q4 QOQ growth is pretty worrying considering they had ~14% QOQ growth in every prior Q4.

econner··on Snap values itself at nearly $24B with its IPO pricing
> My 5 year target on SNAP would be roughly one can of Pringles.

What does this sentence mean?

econner··on With Snap’s IPO, Los Angeles Prepares to Embrace New Tech Millionaires
Good point. There is still a lot of uncertainty with Snap, but it is certainly in a better position than Pets.com. For me the worrying issue is the flat user growth at the end of 2016 and the new competition from Instagram.
econner··on With Snap’s IPO, Los Angeles Prepares to Embrace New Tech Millionaires
What makes the comparison to Pets.com for you appropriate here?

Pets.com was insanity. It IPOed 15 months after it was founded and had no fundamentals of any kind. Snap is 6 years old and has hundreds of millions of retained users.

From the wikipedia page for Pets.com:

Despite its success in building brand recognition, it was uncertain whether a substantial market niche existed for Pets.com.[5] No independent market research preceded the launch of Pets.com.[5] During its first fiscal year (February to September 1999) Pets.com earned revenues of $619,000, yet spent $11.8 million on advertising.[5] Pets.com lacked a workable business plan and lost money on nearly every sale because, even before the cost of advertising, it was selling merchandise for approximately one-third the price it paid to obtain the products.[5]

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