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It's not correct. IIRC, Eliezer was mad that someone who thought they'd discovered a memetic hazard would be foolish enough to share it, and then his response to this unintentionally invoked the Streisand Effect. He didn't think it was a serious hazard. (Something something precommit to not cooperating with acausal blackmail)

Online applications are a black hole. I was a staff SWE at Google at the end of 2021 and my online applications ever got a response. I networked a bit and ended up with two strong offers.

I moved to Dallas from NY last year and am really enjoying it.

It sounds kind of like something Scott Alexander would write.

I think it's because Tesla's approach seems unsafe and/or misleading (to the people reacting negatively to it).

FTA:

> The company in November began testing the video ads — that will be served to users who are 13 years and older

Maybe by kids you meant 13-17...but I feel like teenagers are not exactly a demographic that never sees targeted ads (e.g. through social media, on YouTube, etc.).

(Full disclosure, I work for Roblox, but not on anything related to ads. Obviously representing just myself and not my employer.)

You're missing the fundamental problem, which is that people have different opinions about what is evil. There may well be more Googlers who think it would be evil to _stop_ working with Israel.

And it's not just counterproductive, but corrosive, to have a workplace environment where employees are debating these things.

I have a strong preference for non-activist workplaces. If I'm not values-aligned with an employer I can always leave. So I'm glad to see Google take a firm stance here. I'd expect the same reaction if the protesters were chanting about the Israeli hostages held by Hamas rather than in support of the other side.

Meta: this thread is much more useful and relevant to HN as a discussion of workplace culture than a flamewar about Israel.

Yes, just read through this thread.

Kids dancing, kids talking about how Osama bin Laden was right, propaganda about ongoing wars, ...

9. And never include LIDAR in the first place...

I was working on Google Assistant at the time; the dialogue manager was written in Dart. I was mostly writing libraries and platform code...so APIs in a sense.

The ecosystem isn't huge outside of Flutter, of course.

Anathem really picks up after the first 400-500 pages.

I got to spend a couple years writing Dart (not Flutter) and found it to be the best of both worlds. Such an underappreciated language.

> that the purpose of building a business is just the exit

The majority of those affected negatively by this are not the founders, but the employees. Many of them may have turned down FAANG positions that come with predictable liquid RSUs. Some may have kids (in fact, I know someone at Figma who had a kid in the past year).

Liquidity's not necessarily about opportunistically passing on risk...sometimes it's just about making a competitive living relative to being at a public company.

We need a catalog of simple refutations of bad arguments and common misconceptions about AGI risk, with a short domain like agi.lol, so we can respond to comments like "I bet the guy who has spent 20 years worrying about AGI didn't think of this" with a simple link like agi.lol/107 or agi.lol/the-human-can-have-an-ai-too.

I lived in the Munger building at Stanford for a year and it was amazing. Maybe the other buildings aren't like that? But it was the best dorm I ever lived in, by far.

I wrote Dart full time for a couple years at Google (working on Assistant). I really enjoyed it! It's a really nice language, and pretty easy to pick up.

> anyone who works at OpenAI besides the board seems to be morally bankrupt.

People concerned about AI safety were probably not going to join in the first place...

I agree it's probably not something new. But I will observe that OpenAI rank and file employees, presumably mostly working on making AI more effective, are very strongly selected against people who are sympathetic to safety/x-risk concerns.

> You read, or learn from other people's experiences...Ilya was doing something unprecedented in corporate history

So whose experiences was he supposed to read about?

It's contempt for the Yudkowskyans ("AI doomers"), not contempt for the builders.

I find these threads deeply frustrating, as a long-time Yudkowskyan, because approximately zero of the critics show any understanding at all of the arguments involved, and the vast majority seem not even to have tried to understand the core concern. Most seem to be engaging in some kind of status demonstration, sneering at a group of panicked nerds, rather than having any actual technical opinion at all.

Unlike another poster, I don't think this indicates that HN is full of MBA types. Just average software engineers.

He misspells his name ("Nessim") while talking about how he misordered his first and middle names.

I'm not who you were originally replying to so I definitely didn't think you were implying thing about me (I also didn't think you were implying anything about the person you were replying to). I was just qualifying my opinion on the safer-than-a-human standard as a non-industry one.

I'm not in the industry, though I did briefly work on a self-driving car in grad school back in 2009.

One simple and obvious reason for this standard is that it optimizes for human safety.

At at least some FAANG companies (Google and Meta), EM1 is parallel to L6/Staff.

Depends how you define "emotion", but I imagine the grandparent is assuming a definition along the lines of "neurochemical reaction to stimulus that affects mammalian consciousness in a way that affects heart rate, perception, skin temperature, blood flow to different parts of the body, etc."

How is that an example of standardized testing?

April 2022, after 10.5 years there.

Part of why I left Google was poor leadership at the VP level. The org wasn't set up for success and - as far as I could tell - the vision was myopic and incoherent. VP performance was more or less opaque to me for most of my career there, but eventually I got senior and experienced enough to have a real opinion.

Really liked my direct manager, but we were in it together, and there was nothing he could have done about it.