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This seems to be a very popular idea in some circles, actually.
Most of the useful scientific results synthesize previous results from various fields. There are very few observations incoming that actually add to or question the prevailing theories of a given field. It seems to me from my short experience that most of the work is in reducing theories, and experimentally confirming the reductions. To be useful as a scientist, there's a good change that you'll need to be an expert in at least two things.
I don't think it should be surprising that generating novel knowledge requires substantially more overhead than does acquiring and exploiting it (eg. engineering, or any practical pursuit where division of labour works so well). This may not apply to the medical research that was mentioned in the article, (the system is too complex for theoretic reduction to be useful) but I doubt that physical, ecological, mathematical, etc. sciences would progress as quickly without their practitioners having broad knowledge of their subjects.
Not all system responses are reversible. I can start working really hard, making it feasible for my company to lay someone else off. I could later stop working so hard, but there's no reason to expect that job to come back.
> This is even more hare-brained than the suggestion that we should all work less
Did the article make a suggestion? I think it was more of a scientific statement that this would happen. Of course in a global competitive market it's irrational for any single individual to start working less. That in no way refutes the claim being made. Depoliticize for a second and consider the claims being made. Your stance is right, but you have no need to defend it here.
But why isn't it preferable to have the person who goes with: Calculus, literature, CS 101: A. Topology, Operating Systems, Quantum Mechanics: A. ?
Perhaps the C/A person was spending their time better elsewhere when they could get away with it. But even so, this doesn't really excuse them because either the C/A student:
(1) "gets it" -- in which case doing well in those easy classes would be trivial. Given that all the students know what the game is (get high grades), why would an employer trust them to take a job seriously when they refuse to perform any trivial tasks despite the high return on low investment?
(2) "didn't bother learning the easy stuff" -- in which case they probably don't actually have any deep understanding of these more advanced topics. This would suggest to me that they simply started figuring out the teachers password for those courses.
I don't see any way to interpret the C/A student as being better than the A/A student without knowing more about either the student (certainly some interaction can reveal a drone) or the classes (there are tough classes out there, which actually require understanding for high performance).
Edit: Self-awareness check -- I made the transition from "C/A" in high school to "A/A" in university. This was based on an attitude adjustment, and the realization that I'm playing a partly silly, but also partly valuable game and I might as well try to win both. I suppose this opens up a third possibility in which the C/A transition comes from a change in the student. But that should still at best put me on par with an A/A student, given no more information.
The list exercise might make more sense to non-students.
That deserves an award for understatement of the year. You could probably set up a five man brawl to the death for that job right now.
Granted, I'm single and don't have kids, but even living on $20,000/yr right now isn't bad. I can't have a car, but other than that, I can make any small (<$500) purchase I want without any real worry. Tell me I only get $14,000 and I'll start to worry.
As long as the tax code isn't too complicated and it doesn't change constantly, then how is the government meddling? There are just free people making their own decisions; their decisions just have slightly altered outcomes depending on the environment they're made in.
How did you obtain wild Atlantic salmon? It's an endangered species, and fishing is not allowed! If this is really what you have, how did you get it? If it's legal, let me know, I want some too! If not, you should probably stop...
I think you're right on the money. I just finished an engineering degree and am now doing a MSc. I think my engineering classmates like science because they can learn things that are "true" and "know the answers". We would talk about projects, and standards and make bad puns using our newly-learned technical jargon. My science friends use words like "sexy" when describing theories, and they like to think about things in a far more epistomologically sophisticated way.
They mentioned the high religiosity and conservatism of engineers in the article. I wouldn't be at all surprised if these are the traits that distinguish engineers from scientists.
In short, I'm proposing that it could be one of those examples of an out-of-evolutionary-context kind of behavior.
I'm cheaper than an existing publisher if the author is willing to go digital only. Hmmm, maybe there's an opportunity for small publishers to make a comeback...
He's being a contrarian about contrarianism! Must be a smart guy.
I believe that many hiring managers will consider this a problem, or at least a potential problem. I believe it may be a good answer anyways because 1) it doesn't actually tell them anything "bad" that they didn't already know, and 2) it signals that I am aware that working in their company won't be the same as academia and that my being aware of this makes me more likely to be able to adapt.
Any thoughts or criticisms?