flyingbeaver

"If I have to learn all the Objective-C / Cocoa APIs anyway" and "who want to avoid learning a new $language"...

Still not the issue, sure some people want to avoid to learn more, but that's not people we are interested in, those people wouldn't learn anything anyways... As you said, if you want to be very good yes you have to learn all the tools. So for good developers it's not about learning this or that, it's about learning both, and choosing the one you think is the best to write a full application.

", idiomatic JS does not map cleanly to idiomatic ObjC, you end up with code that is idiomatic in neither."

Sure, you end up with idiomatic RubyMotion. Is that an issue ?

can't you just imagine that a lot of people think that ruby is far more suitable/productive/readable to write applications than ObjC/Swift ? It's not just about learning this or that...

Concerning the translations you are talking about, it's completely trivial if you think the right way and don't just try to copy/paste things all the time. It's about objects, methods, interfaces, whatever the examples are written in...

It's getting worse and worse... And their uptime is way worse than what they show. Today for example they started tracking outage almost 20 minutes after it started...

Cars were not faster at the beginning.

You don't know if something will eventually become better unless you try hard.

RubyMotion's creator answer : https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rubymotion/x6-9c__IH...

could you only put a gist with the code of a hello world application ?

Like AppDelegate and a label with hello world in it ?

Well put.

There's a discount possible for students : educational@rubymotion.com

It's also about the ethic, not just the functionality.