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Thanks for the advice.

Could you explain a bit more how you are using it?

>those other ecosystems still need Kubernetes, Kafka, Redis and GRPC, to get by

And what makes Elixir not need Kafka, Redis or GRPC?

Instead of Redis, you could use ETS for caching. But once you have 2+ instances of your app, you will need to have a centralized caching mechanism, otherwise, each instance will have its own ETS with its own memory, not sharing anything. Unless you decide to use Distributed Erlang and connect all the nodes of your application, which comes with a lot of trouble. Much easier to just use Redis.

And lets say you have multiple teams, each team has its own service(built with Elixir), and you need to have some async communication between those services. What native Elixir solution would you use instead of Kafka?

Same for GRPC. What's the alternative? Connecting all the nodes and using Erlang message-passing?

This is coming from someone who likes Elixir. Not much for its distributed systems features, but mostly because of the language design. I keep hearing everyone talk about how Erlang/Elixir gives everything out of the box and you don't need to worry about Queues, RPC or whatever... But in reality, people don't really recommend using Distributed Erlang that much, on most Elixir gigs I worked, they didn't use Distributed Elixir at all, just plain old Kubernetes, Kafka, Redis and GRPC.

> I actually find Clojure's syntax more confusing with all the punctuation they threw at it.

Could you give some examples? Or "all the punctuation" you are referring just to []?

Just get over it. Semantics are much more important than syntax. Every language will have some piece of syntax you won't like.

"The problem is not capitalism"... Proceeds to describe capitalism.

> I just wish there was a way to get the powerful to understand that it's not a one way relationship

I guarantee you, they do understand that. This is not a matter of changing individuals by teaching them and "getting them to understand". The system as a whole must be changed. The mechanisms that allow those people to exist in the first place must be destroyed.

FTEs rely on executives on the current system, but it doesn't have to be that way. The opposite is not true, tho. There are no executives without workers.

As Abraham Lincoln once said:

“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”

That's valid, but saying that a product a few developers created for FREE, and made open source so anyone could copy and change is the "wrong thing to copy" is just disrespectful.

Bugzilla still exists. And if you think something is the wrong thing to copy, just copy the "right" thing yourself.

One could argue that C++ is much more complex and hard to write correct code.

There are multiple links in this thread showing how the media lied multiple times in the past, a whole documentary interviewing defectors who want to go back and telling how the South Korean Intelligence Service coerce and pay people to speak against the NK regime, but you probably didn't bother to open a single link and read about it.

You talk about science, yet, every anti-NK article sent in this thread are extremely poorly written and lack evidence to their claims. How is that "science"? Unless you are claiming that "science is when it matches my beliefs".

LOL. Alright then, Mr New York Times.

That is a much better analysis. I believe they do have some weird cult of personality going on, but that is very different from being "indoctrinated".

And what does this article proof? Again, it has zero evidence. If everyone knows, should be easy to back up your claims with atual evidence.

"A big thanks to Yeonmi Park for sharing her story with us"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeonmi_Park#Veracity_of_claims

How dare you presenting facts that the media has lied multiple times about North Korea in the past? Be prepared to be downvoted and flagged.

I'm not the one insinuating that North Koreans are indoctrinated into thinking the great leader has magic powers. You should be the ones to present the sources to such bizarre claims.

Jesus, the guy is saying people are indoctrinated into thinking the great leader "didn’t defecate ever". Do you really think North Koreans are that stupid and have zero biology knowledge? Or maybe, uh, this is just fake? Pure propaganda? Are you really that dumb to believe something like that?

Sorry, I'm not following. Could you rephrase your question? Are you asking me if I believe North Koreans should have the right to travel freely? If so, yes, I do believe that.

Now that's a good argument.

This article could have come straight from a fiction book. There is no evidence for anything that is being presented. It might be true, it might not be.

I'm not arguing they are lying or not, I'm just saying that we shouldn't blindly believe it.

But watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkUMZS-ZegM made me a little bit skeptical about those defector stories. It's a very good watch, and I guess it doesn't hurt to hear a different perspective.

I see where you are coming from, and I'm not saying that North Korean media or propaganda is reliable or the absolute truth. But does that mean the US "side" is reliable? Is the US really on the "right side" of the history of the world?

For exemple, did you know the US launched 3 bombs for every person in Laos? There are VILLAGES in Laos built with unexploded bomb left overs from the Vietnam War.

Did you know that there are children being born with life threatening health problems in Vietnam due to the amount of orange gas the US dropped there 40 years ago?

And quoting from a recent speech from Trump this year: "How about we are buying oil from Venezuela? When I left, Venezuela was ready to collapse, we would have taken it up, would have gotten all that oil, it would have been right next door"

Is this the reliable country we should blindly believe? Are they really insterested in telling us the truth or are they just saying/doing whatever is needed to protect their interests?

Absolutely. I would definitely not like to live or even visit there. I just think that every story has 2 sides, and we don't hear the other side very often.

I'm sure you learned all that from other US/South Korean articles like this one, right?

I watched a documentary about North Korean defectors that wanted to go back to North Korea, one of the many reasons was to be with their families. They never mentioned their family were imprisioned. And it wouldn't make much sense to want to go back if their family was imprisioned.

Again, I'm no North Korean supporter or whatever, I just think there is a LOT of propaganda and misinformation about NK, and I think we should take everything with a grain of salt... Unless you think the US is a saint and would never lie about enemy countries.

And about the sanctions, I dind't mention any sanctions, you are just assuming that I support X or Y, when I never said such thing.

I'm not saying North Korea is a paradise or anything, but the country is technically still at war with the South Korea, which is heavily backed by the US. I wonder how much can be trusted from a NY Times(a US media company) article written by the "Seoul bureau chief for The New York Times".

Quoting from the article:

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IMHO, Elixir has much more powerful networking capabilities than Go. And as for deployment, https://hexdocs.pm/mix/1.12/Mix.Tasks.Release.html

Not to mention how good Phoenix and Ecto are. I would never think about using Go if Elixir is a suitable option.

In Clojure, the HTML is just data, you can map, filter, reduce and merge it. I don't think that's the case with Imba.

Yes.