That's right from your perspective.
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I still think it's a great idea
Correct from your perspective.
I don't think it was used when the gathering was peaceful unless it was area denial. I think there's some or all of property damage, arson, looting, arming and throwing, before they use those tools.
Interested to see a video with context from the current unrest where that's not the case.
By hand to hand, I mean the stuff that happens when police and gatherers engage at close quarters.
There's lots of these scenes from the HK unrest. it basically is hand-to-hand combat with batons like I said.
I think a cool thing would be if the docs site was made in it. Self documenting.
Actually, what I was trying to say, and I did not say clearly...was I don't think the anger that is driving this unrest is only a result of police violence.
I think it's a lot of anger from multiple causes, economic, the lockdown, and so on. That's why I said, no matter what police do, they cannot cure that.
Hopefully I made it clear now.
> is fun and beneficial for the individual. YOu just have higher chances of staring a unicorn co, than creating a js library that is widely adopted.
OK, but this thing scored like 600 extra stars in 1 day. And already has over 2K stars. I get you're discounting that. But people like it and are using it. Some dude worked years on it. And you try to trivialize all of that positivity by saying well it's just fun for an individual, as if it's nothing more than fun, as if all the other people who like it don't matter. Which is a lie. He's made something that's more than just him. Something people like. And you're giving the advice, "Oh, all that you did, just don't." as if you're so much smarter than this guy who has created this amazing thing. And, yeah, I get you're dismissing that because it's not "as big as" whatever.
Sure, you're right from your perspective. But how useful is your perspective? And...holding that perspective, how can you really appreciate this work?
You dream of building something better than what is. In some area. Eng dreams. We can all relate.
In the framework space, does any tool really have all the answers? No. Improvements can be made. So make them. Totally good thing to do.
Seems you think you don't have a useful comment to offer, so you just land mean criticism. You know it's mean. That's your point. You feel low, then on HN and see this library written by this dude, get angry and unleash on here. Sure, you feel better for a time, but you hurt other people.
Yeah, I get that putting yourself above this work, and this guy, and dismissing and trivializing the guy and the work, makes you feel better, by comparison. But that's just about what you need to believe, in the moment, to feel good, as a result of whatever situation you're in. It's not about this guy, and it's not about the reality for people using it.
I don't know Ryan, but I've faced this sort of comments from the internet before. It hurts. It gets in the way. It makes you, the commenter, come across as...some sort of inhuman troll. Which of course, you're not!
I'm not trying to change your mind. I get the pain you're feeling to want to say stuff like that. Just trying to point out that what you're doing is bad. For you, and others. Yeah, I guess that's your point, but people can choose different things.
The way I see it, apart from being bad for trying to hurt others, being cruel like this is a huge disservice to you. That's my appeal to you.
I'm trying to read beyond the meanness in your comments to see your actual thoughts on this. And I think they're valid. Actually I want to know about your criticism of the eng landscape and what you think. But when you land this cruel hit, but leave off explaining how you actually think, you let everyone down. Including yourself. Because you do have something interesting to say. what you offer is not just meanness. I genuinely believe that. Don't care if you don't.
What you did this time, is not great. Plus it's bad karma for you. Hopefully next time you only comment on someone's work if you make kind comments and share your true perspective. That would be valuable! Hope you have a good one :)
Also, polished product and polished code deserve a polished set of docs. Just sayin'!
These are complex situations that don't follow rules. The mob consists of peaceful protesters, violent protesters and looters. people's membership in any of these groups can be multiple and shift over time.
it's not reasonable for police to make an assessment who is who on the ground because their job is not to be a jury. what is reasonable is that once a gathering crosses the threshold of criminal activity it becomes illegal.
one solution is to just arrest everybody after giving them time to disperse. but to do that you need overwhelming numbers. not always the resources to do that.
you can't just stand there and let people beat you, stab you, lob projectiles at you. you have to respond to that force with force. You also need to protect property again using force.
again unless you have overwhelming numbers you can't engage in hand-to-hand combat or using battons. this strategy cannot be used by itself to bring the crowd under control. so each officer needs a force multiplier some sort of tool that can effect multiple people. it's a given that in such situations any such tool will affect multiple people even those doing nothing violent.
tear gas and rubber bullets are okay tools. but I think there needs to be more. when a patient becomes psychotic and dangerous in a hospital or asylum you don't mace their face. you give them a sedative. instead of CS gas it would be great if there was some sort of sedative gas to just slow people down enough to sap their will to continue.
police have to handle the situations as best they can using the tools they have.
I don't think you can say that big protests are all about the death of one man or the treatment of one group. I think the causes of people's unhappiness here is systemic and this is probably just an outlet where people feel now we can stand up.
the police can't cure the people of their anger no matter what they do.
when I see this chaos, I remember ahow US media lionized what happened in Hong Kong not even 1 year ago, and I can't help thinking of the proverb, people in glass houses....
BTW, don't we need to have a woman president before the next white dude anyway?
If that's the case 2028 is the earliest...
But seriously, if this did happen, what would he do next?
Taking a step outside that view for a minute, I think part of the appeal of environmentally focused value systems is it allows you a trump card what stands above all else with moral supremacy. Once you've made a pronouncement nothing can usurp it and you don't ever need to back down. Because within that morally focused environmental value system environmental considerations trump everything else.
In short it's a way to be absolutely right which is very attractive and a lot of people subscribe to it. Standing above others is a very satisfying place to be.
Funnily enough, I think that's part of what Christo's work explores. In taking these grand monuments and covering them up he is sort of posing the question that something else can stand above them. Perhaps our projections? From that point of view I think you can consider his work as a monument to the the collective ego we put into our own pronouncements upon things. Which is pretty cool. Art can do that.