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ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
I don't know what you mean by "open" or "oppression".

How about this?

http://www.thetower.org/article/in-the-safe-spaces-on-campus...

ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
The "banning" of media that espouses Nazi ideology is actually very limited in Germany. Hitler's "Mein Kampf", for instance, is not actually banned.

Germany may be "one of the freest" countries, but they too now have far-right parties in their parliament and there have been hundreds of attacks (assaults, firebombings) on refugees.

Also, Neo-Nazi ideology is still popular in the East, despite all the efforts of the socialist government against it. If people are shoved an ideology down their throats, the alternatives suddenly look much more attractive. I'm firmly convinced that it is the left that got Trump elected, not the right.

ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
What exactly do you mean by "acting on those beliefs"? Let's say you have a debate and somebody questions the very idea that gay marriage is or should be a right? What do you mean by "not OK", what should be the consequences here?

"You don't think Muslims are more oppressed than Christians? They're way more oppressed. It's Christians which get a free pass."

I don't even know what "Muslims are more oppressed than Christians" is even supposed to mean. There's no context.

If we're talking about expressing opinions on campus regarding gay marriage or abortion, I doubt Christians would get a "free pass" over Muslims.

ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
"These days it's women, people of all colours, they can say what they want, express themselves etc."

They can only say "what they want" on account of their "oppressed" status. Everybody else has to censor their speech, for fear of offending those groups.

Of course, they can't really all say what they want, but opinion dissenters from the "oppressed" groups are merely written off as "sockpuppets" (i.e. victims) with a chance to repent, instead of being declared an outright enemy.

ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
First of all, don't you know you should not otherize people? You better check your privilige!

Sarcasm aside... they aren't getting more respect. You can't force people to respect anything.

Here's what actually happens: People control their speech (but not their thoughts) around those "other" people for fear of social reprisal. They'll simply avoid socializing with those people for the rest of their lives.

Will they hire a gay/trans/black/muslim person? What a minefield! Better find something in their CV that makes them "less qualified"...

Few people will say these things openly, just like how fewer people would admit to voting for Trump. In the real world, Trump is still president.

ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
"His claim to fame is misunderstanding a discrimination law about transgenders."

If that was true, why did his university send him a warning letter that essentially confirms his concerns? He consulted a lawyer on the matter, he confirmed them as well.

Laws are subject to interpretation, bad laws are subject to bad interpretations. He considers bill C-16 a bad law. There no "one correct understanding" of a law, otherwise we wouldn't need lawyers and legal cases would be trivial matters.

The fact that you refer to bill C-16 simply as "a discrimination law about transgenders" shows that you poorly interpreted it yourself.

"Which is all you need to know about him."

I interpret that as a display of pure and utter ignorance - was that your intention?

ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
What does "more inclusive" actually mean? People are being forced to be overly accommodating to the sensitivities of certain "oppressed" groups, for fear of being ostracized and branded as horrible people.

For example, if as a Christian you don't like the idea of gay marriage, you better not mention it in a group, unless maybe if you're Muslim, in which case your oppressed religious status allows that. It's a social minefield that has been created.

ghoststories··on The curious star appeal of Jordan Peterson
What exactly bothers you here?

How else would you refer to the processes that lead to forcing professionals at these universities to use dozens of novel non-binary gender pronouns, or to shield students from content that may be considered "offensive" or "triggering"?

If you don't think those things are in fact serious problems, then I guess you aren't "woke" to that side of the debate. The "campus left" has done everything to brand all dissenters (including Peterson) as fascists, racists and trans/homophobes. That's an even bigger problem, because it signals cult-like behavior.

Maybe it's not bad at your particular university, maybe the examples in the media are not representative, but they are real.