gouranga

Genuine thanks for the notes - very interesting and a good read.

You are selective in what you have chosen to accept as fact too. You can't get out of that argument on a moral high ground as there isn't one.

You and me are alike, but are exposed to different memes.

The irony of the concept of denial is that those (like myself) who choose not to form an opinion yet are lumped on with the denying group. This very concept itself is a form of fascism / authoritarianism.

Bringing Orwell back into the discussion, this is a form of doublethink i.e. holding two contradictory ideas:

1. Fascism is bad.

2. We'll use fascist tenets to promote that fascism is bad.

Paradox! (I personally aim to be paradox free)

So it's not possible to draw a conclusion, which is my point. So rather than be a "denier", I simply lack a conclusion and do not take the official one on faith.

I do not accept memes and ideas without supporting evidence.

Please provide me with some examples and I will guide you through my thought processes if you do not understand my point.

I suggest that your point is that critical thinking is wrong?

I am neither a Republican voter nor a US citizen. In fact I'm sitting here at home in London in the UK staring at the Thames out of my front window.

I do not choose a team. I have no political allegiance. I do not vote as I do not wish to be responsible for the person I voted in. I try to be a rational independent human and do not align to a stereotype well. A close stereotype is secular humanist.

I suggest you do some research on "accepted norms" and how it applies to climatology plus how conflicting views with theories and data are thrown out without being considered.

The lowest rung of the ladder always gets to solve the problem at the end of the day.

In climatology, the hypothesis has become the theory. The scientific method is therefore invalid ergo it is not science.

The word fabricated is wrong.

The issue is that we are fed assumptions and conclusions without the supporting facts or evidence and expected to consider them as facts.

I choose not to take the conclusions as gospel unless the facts are presented to me. In neither case facts are present which are independent and not politically biased.

If you believe something without having done the research or finding any facts, it's called faith. I do not support faith of any kind. It's illogical.

The verdict on both is open. That is my view.

Please try to understand this.

Thank you for listening.

We're screwing up our direct environment for certain as that is directly observable, but we're not necessarily screwing up our climate. The latter is pseudo-science, despite how we wrap it up. We just haven't been around long enough to come up with a climate model that makes any sense.

Correlation does not imply causality.

Were you there? If not, all you have is stories passed down built on propaganda. I don't disbelieve, but i expect evidence. I've been to Auschwitz btw - have you?

I dint get the moon landings point. They did happen.

They probably shot themselves.

There's evidence that an undetermined but quite large number of people sadly died in concentration camps during the second world war. The number, race and cause of death was not entirely determined and is not possible to determine any more. That's all the facts on the table - there are no more concrete facts at all believe it or not (find me a citation which is credible to prove otherwise!).

This is extrapolated into millions of Jewish people were killed in concentration camps which is the "official story" by the victors. The story came before evidence and evidence was destroyed before the story could be verified.

The main issue is that historical revisionism is used to piece together events so we can learn about the past.

When the label and respective charge of "holocaust denial" is placed one something, it is a closed subject where revisionism is no longer allowed.

It's an enforced dark age.

It should always be open for discussion and research. Perhaps one day some clarity will be found? Perhaps more can be brought to justice, perhaps more names could be cleared.

It's not closed, so don't close it is what I'm saying.

Without wanting to gush too much, but NT is a wonderful piece of technology. It's orders of magnitude better than anything else on the market without a doubt for any application.

The bit people have the "hate problem" with is the Win32 subsystem that is chucked on top of it.

1. A lot of WP devices announce themselves as IE desktop rather than mobile.

2. People in the EU still primarily use them for messaging, email only. I rarely see people "on the web" on their mobile devices.

3. Apps requests do not necessarily count in the statistics and the majority of the time people spend is in apps (WP has native FB, ebay, Twitter apps etc). WP has decent native apps for pretty much everything.

The only thing that matters statistically are sales and retention which are numbers that are not uniformly available for any platform.

Re: fanboy FUD is the inevitable "Windows Phone sucks" mantra from people who have never even set eyes on a device.

I know 5 people who've binned iPhones for Lumia 710/800 handsets on contract renewal citing that the iPhone is clunky.

(I will say I got rid of my Lumia 710 recently and replaced with a basic phone but that's not really because the OS or the device suck).

Inevitably, they put the reverse spin on it because it's trendy...

Also, you've got to call bullshit on the stats as the widely deployed Nokia Series 30/40 phones are still the most ubiquitous worldwide

Apple are bound by the PATRIOT act.

It's a killer platform already - they just need to sort out the marketing and get through all the Android/iOS fanboy FUD out there against it.

Evidence was burned, paperwork destroyed, the 'responsible' people were trialled in private and executed, propaganda was all over the place, facts are omitted for political gain and people needed to save face. The official story needed to be promoted.

The people who deny the holocaust do not deny, but question whether or not the official story is 100% accurate or not.

However to have any political force disallow questioning the official story is not an acceptable situation. It undermines free speech and it purveys an unacceptable duality of reality and fiction.

Wars are always recorded in the eyes of the victors and are closed from future investigation (a bad situation).

Race Relations Act 1976

Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006

Also a load of stuff inherited from the EU which is very restrictive.

Unfortunately for us, the intent of the laws was good but when you take a look at how the laws are applied, they are usually used via interpretation to silence and detain people with an opinion, be it valid or not.

It's free speech for all (including the bad stuff), or no speech at all. The latter is all too common.

Humanity is notoriously self levelling.