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hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Thank you for your feedback.

We respectfully have to vehemently disagree I'm afraid.

I feel that some of your analogies are somewhat odious and don't really make sense in the grand scheme of things - to me - but we can agree to disagree.

I also feel you put too much stock in what others think about you and what you might be doing rather than putting stock in what may help you to harmlessly achieve a goal regardless of these alluded to "social norms". - Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Your envisioned "Social norms" also appear to demonstrate a potential reason for the complete lack of innovation in screen real estate in the laptop industry for the last decade.

With the exception of Asus no other mainstream laptop OEM/ODM has really pushed the envelope when it comes to additional screens when demand has clearly been out there for at least the last 10 years.

8 core/16 Thread laptops with 64GB RAM and Multi TB NVMe have only become available in the mainstream in the last 3 years. There are many, myself included who required this in portable form for many years previous to that. (My use case was GNS3 and EVE-NG labs when I'm out and about and internet was patchy)

I reached out to G Screen in 2010 with funds ready to purchase their dual screen laptop prototype and unfortunately wasn't able to.

I made my first quite basic prototype a little while afterwards.

When Project Valerie was announced I thought at last I can now buy the dream - alas it wasn't available - so I just doubled down on my prototypes.

I have personally and professionally had a need for more portable screen real estate since at least 2005.

Also you are definitely mistaken - No one cares what the engineers toolbox looks like as long as the engineer GETS THE JOB DONE in a timely effective manor. Those are literally the only metrics that matter.

Some people are more effective with a 1 screen laptop. Some prefer n screens. Bottom line is I am more effective and can react to anomalies faster if I can view multiple infrastructure monitoring tools without the constant tedious minimising and maximising especially when at customer sites or at the data center.

Some people don't mind balancing a laptop in one hand while tapping on the keyboard when resolving issues in a comms cabinet - I prefer using my TeenySERV Duo.

My "tools" are also personally fine tuned to my other particular use cases. (Granted my professional workload is a little extreme)

Note that we also have other prototypes with less screens for individuals with different use cases.

Imagine my surprise using my prototypes and being told by multiple people that they want it "yesterday" for their professional and personal use cases.

Our company inbox is literally overflowing with people trying to acquire the 7 Screen prototype in stark contrast with your world view.

The demand and diversity of these individuals, digital nomads, CEOs/Executives, lay people, finance specialists, content creators, developers, film studios did initially surprise me but it does make clear that they aren't concerned with your envisaged "social implications"

With the greatest of respect I think that your envisioned "social norms" don't quite resonate with the general direction or actual norms for laptops in 2020 or going forward in this particular instance.

I predict the trend will steer towards Multi screen laptops, laptops with rollable/foldable displays and finally augmented reality headsets capable of projecting very high resolution content directly into the viewers eyes simulating a multi monitor setup. (Some of these are already available and being actively developed in 2020 already...)

hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
That's the idea!
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
The weight is roughly 12kg. However there were other considerations/goals that it didn't meet that we haven't documented which is why it only met 60% of our target.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
@othercharles

Not to worry - no offense taken.

That's the thing though...

Not one person who has seen and used this in person responded in ways you've mentioned.

We've also had very positive feedback and suggestions from around the globe.

However we welcome any constructive criticism as it provides an opportunity to improve.

Quite obviously you can't see a use case - however from your perspective as an engineer your feedback is still very important to us.

Could you elaborate further on what you mean by "social implications arising from a device like this".

Also your feedback from an engineering perspective would be useful too.

For clarity - this is our design philosophy in a nutshell: (https://expanscape.com/about-us/the-3-us/)

hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Thanks for the feedback. If you have ideas get on them!
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
This is literally one of the primary reasons this was designed. Imagine having to monitor several instances of PRTG, Solarwinds, Vectra AI all at the same time and action multiple issues for multiple customers. All while sometimes spending all day onsite at customers or in the datacenter. Applying a SOAR strategy to SIEM can sometimes only go so far.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Under 370w all settings maxed out CPU/GPU etc.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
We think the priority needs to be AR. The ability to see your surroundings is crucial. We have also have some ideas around this that we are hoping to demonstrate next year.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Glad we were able to make you smile! We are currently prioritising refining out latest prototypes. However we will have video demos up soon!
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
We got fed-up waiting on Project Valerie... so we made our own.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
YUP - This is very real.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
YUP. This is correct.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
The venerable Osborne 1! Now that's a trip down memory lane!
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Agreed - I understand the reasoning but it is frustrating.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
We customise the keyboard as required. The current keyboard in the Aurora 7 is not mechanical.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
We will be uploading a videos soon. Until then you can see how the Aurora 7 folds down here:

https://expanscape.com/the-aurora-7-prototype/screen-transit...

hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
We actually make real working prototypes.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Thermals are actually not bad at all. However it is better to use the Aurora 7 on a desk.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Thanks for the feedback.

We investigated the 3 landscape screen orientation but decided that 2x 17.3 4K Panels in portrait orientation is excellent for coding when paired with 2x 17.3 4K landscape.

It also takes up less horizontal space.

There are several other benefits when viewing large spreadsheets etc.

The heaviest components are actually placed as far as possible from the hinge. The base is also quite weighty so there is exactly zero chance of this tipping over.

hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Hmmm. Thanks for the feedback. We will have a think about better phrasing.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Looks like your looking for our A5 15 or A5 13. send us a message on our website and we'll let you know when they are available.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Hi Thomas,

Founder here.

Thanks for your questions:

- The use case of this is a portable multi monitor desktop with desktop class performance.

- I designed this to specifically facilitate my use case (DevOps, SecOps, SIEM, SOC/NOC stuff). I got frustrated and fedup waiting on the G Screen Spacebook and Project Valerie so one day I decided to just get on with making it myself. I am expected to respond to alerts for the many customer systems I manage so I usually have monitoring panels from Cisco, PRTG, Rapid7, Okta, Solarwinds, Vectra AI, open at the same time all day. Suffice to say this gets really stupid on a laptop with one screen especially when you sometimes have to spend whole days at customer sites or in the data center.

- Due to immense interest from people in the finance and content creation industries I decided to build these to specification.

- One crucial objective was that all the screens should slide out of the main chassis as this facilitates easy setup and folding down when leaving a customer site.

- The screen in the keyboard allows me test touch screen apps I'm writing for linux for another project that will be revealed shortly. The palmrest screen was originally designed to also support a WACOM pen but I'm still working on that.

- The tiny screen on the bezel is not connected to the GPU. It is connected to an Arduino micro controller and provides additional stats on battery life and system resource usage.

- YES to my surprise there are many digital nomad types, film studios, CEOs and other execs who are very interested in our prototypes.

- The battery in the Aurora 7 can be considered a mobile UPS however we are still working on that aspect. One of the big problems we have is Airplane regulations regarding the max Watt Hours for Lithium batteries...

There have been a few prototypes before this one and our latest that will be revealed shortly features various improvements.

hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Not quite. The designs are only part of the picture. We care mostly about utility. We're quite fedup with this trend of unsustainable, premature obsoletion [1] that is the current norm for hardware. Our design philosophy is very simple. [1] https://expanscape.com/about-us/the-3-us/
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
You definitely are!!
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Believe it or not there are alternatives to our Aurora 7 prototype but those are too large to fit in standard backpack. They usually consist of monitors bolted on to a standard desktop chassis and don't feature integrated batteries. The Aurora 7 folds down then fits into a backpack.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Our prototypes are definitely geared towards day traders. We have had a lot of feedback from individuals in the finance industry and as such we are refining our prototypes accordingly.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
That's correct.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Oh yes - he hee!
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
This is due to regulations regarding max Watt Hour ratings for lithium batteries on planes. However we are still working on this.
hn_expanscape··on Aurora 7 Prototype – 7 Screen Laptop
Thanks. The palm rest screen is actually really useful in day to day operation.