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A huge problem with the NSA's activities is that they are, or at least have been, so secret that it is impossible to even discuss in a meaningful way the political question you posed. This should be unacceptable even to those who think catching the 300 terrorists made the surveillance ok.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDWvsdEYSqg (I don't know the copyright status of this, but it's been on YouTube for well over a year with many views).
[2] Robert Zubrin. The Case for Mars.
We all encounter at times fellow humans who want something that clearly is based on lacking information. Of course we respect such things, but only up to a certain point. We often do try to help people see the bigger picture - sometimes we do say "I hear you say that that is what you want, but have you considered the fact that...".
> B. contact with us is likely to be deadly to them.
This can be remedied with technology. A crude solution would be to land in hazmat suits and have a chat. I don't know how we should deal with the bows and arrows though.
The disease part can be handled today. We could go visit them in hazmat suits. And I know I'm being really generous when I'm comparing the modern world to benign aliens, but properly managed (as access to the island already appears to be) surely we can approach them in a decent way?
That they violently defend themselves is of course a highly complicating factor.
I guess all I'm saying is that not establishing contact is also a choice that we're making on their behalf. Is deciding that they can't parttake in modern society any more OK than deciding they must? Can we not contact them in a way where they get to choose?
Edit: I certainly agree that we as humans have an absolutely horrible track record on these kinds of things. But it's been a while now, hasn't it? Can't we pull this off by now? These guys are our brothers and sisters - should we at least not have a chat with them to see if they really want to be left the fuck alone, or if they might want to not die whenever they get an infected wound, or half the time they have kids, or whenever they break a leg? Hell, it might well be that some of them want to be left the fuck alone, while some would like to see the world. How come those latter ones have to stay on that island just because we say so?
I'm sure the authorities' line of defense will go something like "oh but you're not in the database by default!" Then you'll be added as soon as you cross a border, apply for a passport, or get a parking ticket. Time to buy stock of facemask producers...
This stuff is not ok. Not at all.
I'm sorry I sound so naive, but I'm still incredibly flabbergasted by this.
"User #129334, we have detected a person of interest in your field of view. A client would like Enhanced Position Information (TM) on this individual. Nod if you agree to keep him in sight for the next hour and receive a month of free cable!"
For a long time we've enjoyed the goods arising from the fact that technology can rarely be stopped. I have a feeling we'll see some awful things in the coming decade... It unsettles me greatly that I have this newfound fear or technology, but I really do.
(Caveat, I'm back-of-the-enveloping this on my phone about to go to sleep But still!)
Indeed. I can't imagine it will be many years before we see a similar video, except now with a Terminator-style overlay (that the wearer also sees in real time) indicating the name, age, occupation, marital status, etc. of every person. I've never been afraid of technology before, but this really doesn't seem to me like a future society I'd like to live in. "Oh look, that girl over there just got dumped according to Facebook." "Haha, that guy that dresses like a bigshot really flips burger for a living!" "That family over there is from France." ... and so forth.
Others in this thread have said that it's just a gradual line of change from everybody carrying cellphones with cameras and an Internet connection. I sort of disagree. Even after smartphones became ubiquitous, it's not socially acceptable to obviously point it at strangers. Pointing your glasses in their general direction is, though.
I wonder if I'm just going through the same line of thought my parents did when they realized the Internet was here to stay in every part of life.
On the other hand, there's always masks :-)
This attitude scares me. Some things really are hard to do. Some things really are hard to understand. Some are even both. Remember what Euclid is supposed to have said to Ptolemy I of Egypt when the king complained that geometry was hard to learn: There is no royal road to mathematics!
There's no shame in not being able to do or understand every difficult thing under the sun, but don't complain that such things "shouldn't be so hard". They often are. I think it's part of what makes life interesting.
Firefox 22 on GNU/Linux looks a lot better, but still not as good as IE: http://imgur.com/GOCmiN9