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I can't believe people are really on here thinking that zero data was considered and it's just a bunch of execs going off random "feels".

You've never seen great products built by teams that work together in an office? You clearly need to get out of your house more. Maybe in-office will do you some good.

Apple also collects telemetry by default. Stop pretending this is just Google.

That's an easy way to have zero managers and more problems than you started with. The vast majority of ICs are like children. It's not fun dealing with them. The only way one voluntarily takes on that role is for equal or greater pay.

They just brought this extremely innovative thing to market in very little time. The problem may have been that they haven't really had any competition in their core business to push them in a long time.

> I haven't read anything, but I have opinions.

Great contribution.

No they don't. Twitter hasn't done that (restrict your feed to only people you follow) in a long time.

I've been told by folks who work on infra there that they need to file requests to even talk to the previous owners of code if that person has moved to a diff role. So I don't think it's just for unannounced products.

Most of the core infrastructure at big techs like Google and Meta (and I can only assume Microsoft) are written in C++. Many of the folks working on said infra escaped from finance to get there.

> It was the fact that I would not be allowed to share my work internally. I would not even be allowed to brainstorm with people doing the same job in other areas of the business.

This is what Apple does as well. So not all FAANGs are equal here.

Agree. I worry that many companies will maintain notional "support" for remote roles, but it will revert to a two tiered system where in-office workers have better career growth.

As far as I can tell literally no vendor allows data to flow out? What am i missing?

I'd broaden that to say most people working at these companies are poor, including the engineers.

Reality is most people are not the awesome standouts they believe themselves to be and truly strong leaders/engineers/sales people/product manager/etc. are extremely hard to find.

But at what scope? The how will always matter. Your AI could design a system that bankrupts you on the first day. To prevent that you need to specify constraints and it's turtles all the way down. It would free you from spending time on areas you don't care about, but that's already true with SaaS.

Writing a spec thorough enough for AI to generate code that verifiably meets in and solves your problem means you're still programming, but specs instead of systems.

Yeah, google doesn't have that. So it doesn't affect your life.

What is a "diversity hire"? Anyone that's a minority? Or perhaps someone that _you_ believe wouldn't have been hired if they weren't a minority? Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's the latter.

How would you know if a colleague of yours is a "diversity hire" without making assumptions? How do you know that you're just not as good? Because you don't think their work is high quality? Maybe you're a bad judge because your work isn't high quality. Or maybe you only see part of their work? Or maybe your pre-judgement has already doomed you to biased analysis of anything they do.

Or maybe if you're worrying about this you're just not very good.

> diversity programs...

Not even remotely comparable to the other things you listed. People such as yourself seemingly can't stop talking about it though, despite it having no effect on your life.

It's more productive as Ruby and Python and much faster than either? Is that not reason enough for some to choose it? I'd argue that of the PHP, Python, and Ruby it is Ruby that should die. It's the same use case as Python, but harder to read and just as slow.

> And now the downvotes begin. PHP devs hate dissent it seems.

I mean, write stupid comments win stupid prizes?

> Now the small PHP community keeps trying to justify their language choice with articles like these

How would you expect people to react when you frame it like that. I assume you're one of those people that think you have good opinions, but wonder why others don't want to hang around and hear them.

I've been a manager at Google. It is not the canonical example

> Find a company that values programming and real productivity

What's an example of a company that values "programming" over the business?

Then don't be surprised when you don't get promo's because the manager responsible isn't familiar with your work.

Tech doesn't seem that great? Google demo'd Duplex in 2018 and it was so good at voice synthesis that people were arguing about whether or not it's ethical to not disclaim you're talking to AI.

> I think that the risk of Sun really taking the OS franchise away from us is much lower than the risk that they cheapen the entire business.

Spot on.

Then... move to the woods?

This is the crux of it and rings true in my experience. Significant increase in effort usually results in only marginal increases in comp, if any. ROI simply isn't there.

> Many workers say they see little connection between working hard and being rewarded. About half of the 1,071 respondents to a May survey by The Wall Street Journal and NORC at the University of Chicago said they don’t have a good chance of improving their standard of living, compared with 27% who said they do. The 27% figure was a 20 percentage-point drop from a year earlier. About 60% said they were pessimistic about most people’s ability to achieve the American dream.

Luckily it's not normal or acceptable.

Imagine thinking such a thing about schools.

gp asked specifically what "cancelled" means. You seem to be trying to avoid providing any definition and instead creating and attacking straw men based on your imagination of a leftist argument.

Get a grip then respond.

Why did you buy it then? How could you not regret spending money on something you don't use?