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off topic but just triggered by the article.

I strongly suggest somebody write a bot on HN and maybe leverage GPT-3 to harvest collective wisdom on many topics. It's a golden mine.

let's put ideology aside. It's quite interesting to watch different societies, governance, cultures evolving, cooperating,competing among each other. Eastern world is more likely have low entropy societies while Western have high entropy societies.

Both have strength and weakness. Low entropy societies are more efficient, extremely good at building physical things. But tend to have less varieties. High societies are more chaotic, but also more innovative, more productive in spiritual domain. Not only in technologies but also arts ,etc.

It would be ideal that both societies can cooperate and share the benefits leveraging advantages of both worlds. But in reality it's quite complex and not going to a good direction in short term

Then it's an attractive point for hacking: Use an existing system and repurpose it to serve your own goal.

I did the search on my self trying to find similar souls share the passion about Godel theorem, viewing the current carbon-based civilization from the views of silicon-based civilization or the alien's, functional programming... But none of them are even close. This #1 match has some views I'm totally not familiar with but I have an opportunity (which I appreciated) to understand other views

In my opinion, this service doesn't have a good S/N ratio. Could give you irrelevant information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Daily It's interesting that most people here don't read Apple Daily. Those who can read Apple Daily and know the real nature don't want to talk too much because the opinion doesn't align the majority of HNer's belief based on partial information.

It's a tabloid newspaper but more than that, it's full of hate and anger. That's its strength because there's a big market for it.

Any idea that this happened only recently? There are already raids earlier along with other punishment. Without new provocation, this one seems totally unnecessary. A reasonable interpretation about this raid, based on the timing and some knowledge about China and CPP, would be: this is a response to G7's recent communique. But I bet not many people get the message because with some existing ideology that people usually are not aware of, casual relations among events are often ignored.

>a single nuclear WEAPONS manufacturing plant in Iran

If "mass disinformation campaigns" were very successful, then:

1."WEAPONS manufacturing plant" could be actually a "civilian-critical nuclear power plant related services"

2.You would never find statement 1 is unprovable. In stead you would insist that statement 1 must be false as the consequence of disinformation.

It seems that hacking of any "civilian-critical" services , whether in US or Russia, is less critical than the hacking of people's mind (especially of smart developers/hackers) who would support and thus actively involve in hacking "evil" entities, along with other activities causing conflicts.

I believe HNers minds are less likely to be hacked then those of other communities. (Technology topics are almost never be hacked. I'm talking about politics discussion which is more fascinating to watch how hacked HNer's minds interacting with each other.)

My belief could be wrong because "Mind's I" could be hacked and it's unprovable.

My interpretation would be: voters will never wake up. A more accurate version might be, that statistically voters can not wake up together with some consensus so the problem can be fixed. It's a feature of the system, not a bug. Citizens should accept and live with it.

>is not exactly analogous

Yes, I know as I already mentioned. That's why I wish somebody smarter than me can do it more accurately by putting the concepts such as "MytheoreumsAreEnumerable" into a better ELI5 way.

I always try to to find some ELI5 but haven't found one yet. ELI5 won't be accurate but it's better than nothing.

Here's my version. I know it's terrible but I wish it could trigger better versions from smarter HNers. Hopefully the ELI5 can evolve.

....Long time ago, in the Game Kingdom, people play games by rules called game law deduced by a basic meta law called Game Constitution. Most of time players play by game law.

However not all judgment can be easily made following this principle. Some time 2 players would arguing like this:

Group A: What you are doing is wrong so it is violating game law.

Group B: Your blame is wrong. So your act of blaming violates game law.

It ended up with conflicts. Too groups were firing rockets and air raiding with each other.

To solve the contradictory, the Game Kingdom invited a group of alien higher order players to form a United Game Nation to make judgment about which claim is true or false. However as the high order players joined the new expanded Game Kingdom, there are conflicts again as before with the exact same reason. Now a new higher order United Game Nation needs to set up. But it will create new conflicts again and on and on ....

There are many stories were filtered out by Western media. Some not by media but could be filtered out by individuals selective ignoring.

For example: China built makeshift hospitals in very short period of time. This one is not filtered. Even Fauci suggested India should do that but in reality not many country can mobilize the resources. Another example is by strict locked down, Wuhan was sacrificed for the sake of all nation. Meanwhile the hospitals over the all country supplied volunteer medical personals and equipment pouring to Wuhan. There were too many registered volunteers even beyond the organizers requested. With enough resource concentrated in one place, covid was quickly under control.

It's mainly due to dictatorship system that other countries can not easily duplicate. This can explain most countries are "incompetent".

>but if we ignore how things happened, it's more likely to happen again.

This is legitimate reason to have a good investigation and find out the real cause of the virus. From pure technical point of view it is absolutely right.

However because of the cognitional defects of our cave man brain due to the quick social and technology progress outpaced the nature evolution process, the OP's strategy shows wisdom. Let me explain:

There are 3 cases that can present the same reason:

1.Your case which I think it's sincere request for improvement of the procedure to avoid future disaster.

2.There's a known hidden agenda based on some ideology but asking for investigation. A good example is what Dick Cheney and a group of his associates did. They had no interests to understand truth. A reason for investigation is a excuse for fool people

3.(This one is difficult to understand) There's an unintentional hidden agenda mixed with the legitimate reason that the guy who ask for truth might not be aware of hidden agenda. There are a lot of example in another community not available to English reader. The closest example is Australia Prime minister Morrison. It's very controversial and speculative. Most HNers' won't have the necessary insight to understand this example but I believe presenting a weak example is better than nothing.

With case 2 and especially 3, OP's strategy is better than yours. That's why I said OP's shows wisdom: Avoid conflicts and more loss as a whole.

Sometime a correct conclusion in the scope of leaf could be a wrong conclusion in the scope of tree. But maybe correct again in the scope of Forest. I'm not claiming my conclusion is better than yours. I might be in the "tree" level. I'm saying you are looking at a pure technical point of view. OP's thinking is bigger.

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I don't know about reverse. But as I remeber according to Dr.Rhonda Patric in one of Joe Rogan show, cold shower can boost protection of myelin.

Senolytics might help reducing aged cells to get benefit. Not directly contribute to brain health I think.

The problem is not about understanding the concept such as "...we must all cooperate and see to it that everyone does his fair share..." because it is not a complicated one itself. The same concept has been reflected in some Hollywood movies and cartoons. The real issue is why in reality human are not embracing it and even behaving quite opposite although such a concept is very easy to understand. There could be some reasons related to how we evolved till today and not many people really understand.

It's difficult to find hard proof to support or against the claims. However there are invisible human natures lead people tend to believe one or the other. Here in HN the majority belief is China is evil. The dissidents against the belief will be downvoted. But the world is much bigger than HN. A lot of contents are just not in English.

Here's a community that contains minority beliefs but in English. I've pasted in another post. Judge by yourself they are rational people or not.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/03/is-china-hacking-rando...

I just happened to read a new article on "Moon Of Alabama". Then I realize there must be some debate on HN. I'm not disappointed

Here's what lead me to come back to HN:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/03/is-china-hacking-rando...

There are variations of the original version though. But there are some important variations missing to detach from reality so people could have less controversial or provocative dilemma. For example:

1.If there are 50k people instead of 5 people on the other track?

2.If the decision maker is not a bystander but an operator whose duty is responsible for the safety of the system?

3.If two tracks are invisible (Except the switch operator) before the switching happens. And only one track could be left to be seen by modern human's eye after switching happen. Ether 50k die or 1 die but there's only one track left.

>No need for you to preach to the choir about not trusting the Chinese government. As can be seen in the thread,

Great expression! I have the same strange feeling but couldn't put in correct words. Other than the topic of this thread, there's a meta topic which reflects some interesting human natures showing up more often among politicians and lawyers: Spread bias opinions without being caught misleading, disguise subjective speculations under objective delicately organized articulation.

Being constructive in discussion is extremely difficult. Sometime I watch the debate with fun on meta topics other than topics.

Then the question is how do you associate a certificate to a specific physical item. For Rolex it's very difficult. A perfect counterfeit can have some almost identical outlook to a real one. Only physical items with unique features served as fingerprints are viable for the solution. Like diamond.

Can not agree more with you on this. In reality quite a lot of "smart" people with science or engineering degree are not very scientific in their heart. They just blindly be trained to use scientific methodology to do their daily job. A lot of academically competitive people don't understand a very simple fact: Those who are already deceived can not find they themselves are fooled. So anything that's controversial need to be resolved by the approaches other than reasoning based on their own strong beliefs while considering the opposite side are evil.

Even on HN, quite a lot of HNers can not differentiate their strong beliefs, which might be generated from indirect sources like MSM or activists, from solid facts. i.e. something can reach consensus of normal people by verification. The Massive Weapon of Deception can be effectively used again and again if that matches the majority belief.

Maybe your analysis make sense. But I often look opposite analysis to defeat the algorithm of social media. Personally I think it's partially responsible for there are 2 different realities that lead to the Jan 6 Capitol event.

Here's a piece that draws quite different picture from yours.

https://worldaffairs.blog/2020/12/31/from-terrified-to-trium...

The same as VOA, Epoch time(This one is not directly sponsored by government fund). Their main audience are not English speakers.

Some of Chinese audience see the news in somehow opposite direction: True is likely(but not certainly) False. It's a little more than "not credible".

There is another group always fighting against non-believers and saying they are "wumao"

To some point VOA (A lot of Chinese think they are the same but actually not.Just content similar) was criticized by US government that they are helping CCP. What they really did was put some objective/neutral news. It's likely that the management tried to improve their impression and make them more conceptional because Chinese editors of VOA seem quite delusional to fabricate stories. They are much better now that they misleading with some events really happened but mixed with their interpretations.

A lot of their content show up in: https://www.backchina.com/news/ You have to under Chinese though.

So in your view as one of 350 million, RFA is only(or mainly) set up for providing news to brainwashed Chinese people but not promoting democracy and universal human rights value?

Here's Youtube Channel of Guo Wengui. Target audience is not mainly English speaker though.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO3pO3ykAUybrjv3RBbXEHw/vid...

Since you mention YouTube, I quickly compile a list of Westerners who have lived some time in China, i.e. not tourists. To help people make decision if they are brainwashed. But usually "Brainwash" means brainwashed people can not find they are brainwashed.

List A: These 2 guys are thinkers then others. They should be working on different job. Expecially in Western intellegence to help westener better undrestading China)

1. Cyrus Janssen(American)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxEQsjgRRfGWiJJu_PDygxw

2. Daniel Dumbrill(Canadian)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw

List B: (Positive)

3 Matt (American)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ykci4MKSSdTJYuYp53G7A

4 Gweilo 60 (Canadian. Mainly positive. He also talked about negative side)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChXOhG9bRDb3vSTg-qkPAZg

5 Jason(British)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDE2LGSmJnw53WrZ7mM_Aw

6 Nathan Rish(American. Seem a little opinionted)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaSlyjhR4WC7QhYuaivxb6g

List C: (Negative, but was positive)

7 serpentza (South African, the oldest vlogger about China)

https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza

8 laowhy86 (American)

https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86

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The most popular community for art of memory is: https://forum.artofmemory.com/

Quite a few famous athletes are members. Memory palace is one of popular methodology. The moderator of the forum seems to be a software professional using Vim and Perl

That's because LKY himself is an incorrptible person. Here you can have an insight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=142FbTYeK7k

If we can have different point of views that would be helpful for a better judgement:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/the-russian-coup-plot-...

I'm not contradictory to your statement. Or your explanation hasn't touch my potential flaw if exists. Let me put in this way:

There is at least some "thing" that can not be proved without cause inconsistency. To avoid the inconsistency to prove the "thing" which become true we need to create a high order system in which then the "thing" is truth but also cause the same dilemma in the new bigger system that new "thing" will show up that need another high order system. So it's correct that no system can contain all truth while keeping consistent. This is the point you want to express in your statement, right? (Actually it's Godel theorem in plain English itself)

What I try to say is: if its not provable in current system so it can not be called true within current system. I could be wrong at this part but not what you tried to explain which I already agree.

May I suggest that "true" in "true-but-unprovable" means from God's eye or in a higher level system but not in current system because "unprovable"（in current system only) means it's not really true in current system? Correct me if I'm wrong in this context.