john_alan

well not specifically, but directionally could mean less adherence to a UNIX like environment.

yeah I guess there isn't really much to move to... a new custom Kernel and Userspace? extremely unlikely - I guess it's here to stay, despite not being formally Unix.

Sure, I just hope macOS doesn't end up doing some custom thing rather than staying Unix/Linux like, which we've had with macOS/OS X till now.

Yep linked page is active certification rather than historical.

That’s historical. The linked page is active. Zzz

27 wasn’t certified and 26 was listed but is now removed.

Indeed.

I just wonder if macOS will stop being UNIX like.

That is, whilst it still has home brew and a BSD core it’s great. If that goes away it’s no longer a viable alternative to Linux.

macOS was listed on the main register (the link in this submission).

It was Tahoe, it’s since been removed.

The UNIX03 page still lists it, but I believe that’s a mistake.

macOS has been removed from the main register/list.

They do, it’s called Nano-texture.

> I don't understand the purpose of your reply?

to illustrate, counter to the HN narrative, they've actually done a lot to keep the platform open to hackers and hobbyists.

Sure, remove disabling SIP from the list, the others still stand and are quite compelling IMO.

Fair enough on the kernel extensions.

I take your point(s) but the doom about the Mac turning into iOS and the terminal being taken away is unfounded.

What about all the stuff they've done to keep it open:

- Per-install boot security policies

- Custom kernel boot (kmutil configure-boot)

- Raw-image boot mode

- XNU source releases

- Disabling SIP

- Disabling the Signed System Volume

- Third-party kernel extensions

- Developer ID distribution and notarisation

- Gatekeeper "Open Anyway" override

- Hypervisor.framework

- Virtualization.framework

- Rosetta for Linux VMs

- Nested virtualisation

- macOS guest provisioning

- DiskImageKit

- Custom Virtio devices

- Containerization framework

I don't think that's fair, they've spent a lot of time and effort ensuring the Mac is still an open/UNIX like platform, including (where they didn't have to):

- Per-install boot security policies

- Custom kernel boot (kmutil configure-boot)

- Raw-image boot mode

- XNU source releases

- Disabling SIP

- Disabling the Signed System Volume

- Third-party kernel extensions

- Developer ID distribution and notarisation

- Gatekeeper "Open Anyway" override

- Hypervisor.framework

- Virtualization.framework

- Rosetta for Linux VMs

- Nested virtualisation

- macOS guest provisioning

- DiskImageKit

- Custom Virtio devices

- Containerization framework

> Then there is the fact that macOS is a certified Unix system

They didn't renew Golden Gate's UNIX 03 certification this year:

https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

Have you ever tried to do serious work on a tablet?

Absolutely sales of laptops would continue.

exactly, this isn't AGI.

HN rivals Reddit wrt extreme left and woke views. Shadow of its former self.

Commenting isn’t worth it.

> by DHH’s abhorrent views

You know that's just your opinion right? Not an objective truth.

Open source and super impressive little app in Go: https://github.com/bjarneo/cliamp

probably built with Berd

I’ve been using ARM Debian desktop stably for a long time. I don’t see what the issue is, am I missing something or is this just his hardware choice?

yep, dripping in AI.

It's a real problem, so many projects are adding features at breakneck speed, but with so many bugs and so little understanding.

Maybe that's just how it all works now, but I don't like it.

What you've said is emotionally compelling, but scientifically very weak. Personal recollection is selective and location-specific. You’ve described a memory, not established a mechanism.

What you perceive as change isn't macro, it's micro.

It doesn't mean macro change isn't happening, but it's not happening on our timescale.

I'm 50 FWIW.

Climate also doesn't change in macro over a lifetime.

It's very real, but the notion that it's changing over a 5 year period is nonsense.

things aren't "shutting off".

yep aren't most fridges and ovens etc using 386DXs?

Maybe it's all ARM Cortex now? I thought the 386 was still in production.

Great now just need the same for the window corners and ridiculous Finder overlays.

I am repulsed by Tahoe's new design language.

I live in the vain hope that macOS 27 restores some sanity, at least maybe removes these clownish corner radiuses.

It makes the entire OS look like the Palm Pre's app switcher.

> Macbooks don't even have Nvidia in them.

lol!

it's too slow for usable inference though.

same, but will it change?

GPT-OSS-120 works well.