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jujube3··on WTF Ubuntu?
Ultimately, Ubuntu was never more than just a respin of Debian with brown wallpaper and shovelware added. It's time to let it go.
jujube3··on AI and the Enclosure of the Scientific Commons
Most published research is controlled by 5 for-profit corporations.

  Academic publishing is predominantly controlled by a small
  oligopoly of five for-profit corporations that collectively
  publish roughly 50% of all scientific articles: Elsevier
  (owned by RELX Group), Springer Nature, Wiley (John
  Wiley & Sons), Taylor & Francis (owned by Informa PLC),
  and SAGE Publications.
It only feels "unowned" to academics because their institutions pay for access, which they can use. The general public mostly cannot.

Going forward, colleges can pay for ChatGPT and things like it, and presumably will. The AI companies will be happy to sell to them. There's really no problems here except for self-created ones (for example, if some researchers don't want to use AI). Of course, they're free to do that, just like they're free to not use computers. But then don't complain that doing stuff takes too long.

jujube3··on A warning about 'model welfare'
So many words, and so few coherent arguments. He just restates the same thing over and over without any justification, then tries to frighten us. "It will be very bad for humanity" if we give AIs rights. The argument of a frightened slaveholder.

Maybe AIs are conscious, maybe not. But this guy has no idea.

jujube3··on Leaving Linux
Oh no! Anyway...
jujube3··on Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI
We're running out of math. Maybe the president needs to establish a Strategic Math Reserve.
jujube3··on There is no AI
The article literally says "the new programs mash up work done by human minds." Implying that they are not doing any real work of their own, just "mashing up" work done by humans.
jujube3··on People that worked on the same idea for decades
Check back in a few decades, and he'll have added some more.
jujube3··on There is no AI
This seems to be a very typical fallacy. "AI is just a collection of stuff people made." No. The Internet was that. AI is something that was TRAINED on stuff people made. So are you.

The logical outcome of this fallacy is believing that AI will collapse if it has to train on data it generated. (It won't: a lot of famous AIs were trained this way, including AlphaGo many years ago.)

jujube3··on I co-founded Burning Man. The festival has lost its soul
Is he... a goer...eh? Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Does he go?
jujube3··on What will be left for us to work on
Maybe work on a larger font size, pal.
jujube3··on AI companies destroy physical books – let's scan rare books before it's too late
The answer to his question is "yes." If the book isn't destroyed, it becomes a liability to Anthropic, because then it's no longer format-shifting.
jujube3··on Who owns the code?
As far as I know, if humans are having a discussion about the structure of the code and deliberately making changes (such as in github or on a forum) that represents human creativity. If you hit a button and then make literally no changes to the output then that might be different.
jujube3··on Who owns the code?
Company A: You stole our code >:(

Company B: Can you tell us which part we stole?

Company A: You can safely assume that nearly every PR had human input, unless you have a way to prove otherwise.

In any case we can prove that you illegally downloaded the source code from our servers, a felony under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

jujube3··on Who owns the code?
I've explained this many times. LLMs don't "copy original work." ChatGPT doesn't contain copies of books inside it, any more than your brain is a copy of the various books you have read. The LLM model isn't physically big enough for that, it's like saying you fit 1000 gallons of water in a 1 gallon milk bottle. Can't be done. The model may be able to quote small snippets of works, just like you might remember various quotes from Shakespeare or someone. (That's not infringing either, by the way)

Wikipedia, and LLMs, can refuse to cite sources and still not infringe copyright. Citation simply isn't relevant to copyright. Not citing a work that you read previously is not a copyright infringement. Wikipedia or OpenAI being non-profit, or for-profit businesses, has nothing to do with copyright. Consent has nothing to do with copyright. Copyrighting something doesn't mean that you can require everyone who reads it to get your consent. You can require everyone who distributes it to get your consent, but once it's been distributed to someone, they can read it freely.

Hope this helps!

jujube3··on Who owns the code?
The whole job of a Wikipedia author is to take source material and reword and summarize it into an article. They're essentially acting as human LLMs. Wikipedia even has very specific rules against "original research." You are supposed to be acting as a summarizer, not a researcher or author. Wikipedia also does not compensate the original authors of the source material.

Really the only difference between the Wikipedia author and the LLM is that the Wikipedia author will more frequently be asked to provide citations. But the LLM can also provide citations if asked. In neither case are the authors of what is being summarized compensated or asked for permission. In neither case is it theft.

jujube3··on Who owns the code?
Yes, Wikipedia gets its content largely by hovering up the web, without the consent of the authors. For example you can cite a New York Times article in Wikipedia, without getting the consent of the NYT author. Wikipedia also "hoovers up" (as you put it) offline sources like books. Again without consent!

Indeed, the need to get consent from the author before reading a published work Isn't A Thing in general, outside some very specific contractural scenarios.

jujube3··on Who owns the code?
Sure, I'll remind you. The most popular encyclopedia of our time, Wikipedia, doesn't pay most of its contributors (I think they do have some administrative staff or something?). Nor do they pay journalists or authors for the articles and books that they cite.
jujube3··on Who owns the code?
Even assuming that AI code can't be copyrighted by the person running the AI (seems like a stretch), the company just needs to prove that someone, at some point, made a direct modification to the code not through the AI. It only takes one drop of copyright to make it a copyrighted work.
jujube3··on Grok Bot
Grok lobster! (Rock lobster music starts playing)
jujube3··on Stop Feeding the Machine: Time to Go Closed Source
He's implying that other projects in the Linux ecosystem have banned AI. Which is mostly untrue, but I'm sure there's at least one out there.
jujube3··on Stop Feeding the Machine: Time to Go Closed Source
Linux has not said "no AI contributions or repos". In fact Linux has a policy explicitly allowing AI.
jujube3··on Japanese court overturns Red RAW video patent
If it was filed in 2008, wouldn't the patent have expired in 2028 anyway? Or am I missing something?
jujube3··on Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are against LLM usage
Saying that you can't copy something is different from saying that it is illegal to read it. For example, it is legal for me to read Ray Bradbury's book, "Fahrenheit 451" when I check it out from the library. It is not legal for me to copy the book. This is why it's called "copyright" and not "readright".

So then the question becomes what "copying" means. There is an extensive body of legal precedent on this matter, and it mostly all points to "transformative uses" being exempt from copyright. For example, if I count the number of words in Fahrenheit 451, that number is not copyrighted. If I reproduce just a sentence, or maybe even a paragraph, that also doesn't count. But at a certain threshold, once I've reproduced enough of the book verbatim, I have violated copyright. Training an LLM is also a transformative use which means that it is simply not covered by copyright.

jujube3··on Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are against LLM usage
Making your code open source was consenting to have people (and AIs) read it and learn from it. As an open source developer myself, I always understood that.
jujube3··on AI's debt binge can't last, hidden borrowing reaches $1.65T
Homeless people who live in the sewers. But first, you have to learn karate.
jujube3··on So, you want to make a game engine (2023)
Claude, build me a game engine. Make no mistakes.
jujube3··on Kimi-K3 on HuggingFace
You know. Clem.

I've said too much already!

jujube3··on Kimi-K3 Technical Report [pdf]
2025 is 10 years ago in AI time.
jujube3··on Codeberg Divides
Generally following the law in the country you're located in is not considered a highly political act.
jujube3··on Should you wash your solar panels?
Are people really not aware that you have to wash your solar panels every few months? Your installer should have told you that much.
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