logic_beats_pro

Interesting comment. It's so funny, whenever anyone posts a VAERS link (literally the only visibility the US public has into adverse events) people come out of the woodwork to mention that anyone can submit a report. Other than VAERS, we have public health authorities which routinely lie to the public simply to get vaccines in arms, regardless of the truth or consequences. Too many examples to list here but Fauci continuously upping the percentage of people that would need to get vaccinated to achieve herd immunity comes to mind. I guess he left out the part that herd immunity isn't even possible with the vaccines.

We're relying on proven liars to get our health information? These are our CHILDREN for God's sake.

I'll go ahead and list the whoppers from the mayo clinic site:

- A COVID-19 vaccine can prevent kids from getting and spreading the COVID-19 virus.

The vaccines in no way, shape or form prevent someone from getting or spreading COVID-19

- COVID-19 vaccines have not been linked to infertility or miscarriage.

Miscarriage data: https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/foia-docs-reveal-pfizer-sh...

- These vaccines were approved quickly because the red tape was cut — not corners.

Please see the story of Pfizer whistle-blower Brook Jackson

- In the U.S., the delta (B.1.617.2) variant is now the most common COVID-19 variant.

Omicron is over 95% of cases. Why would they conceal that? Ahh, because the FAQ question was "Do COVID-19 vaccines protect against the variants?" You'd have to admit the vaccines do next to nothing versus Omicron unless you have had a booster in the last 10 weeks.

Really tough to tell because there's a lack of data. Parents aren't vaccinating their young children because they have the strongest immune systems and it's unnecessary.

Here are CDC submitted reports of myo/pericarditis seen so far broken out by age:

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/myo-pericarditis

So take from that what you will. And if this is your first time encountering VAERS, the reports actually submitted are estimated to be between 1 and 10% of total adverse effects experienced.

If you're into reading studies, here are some that are largely unknown:

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/heart-blood-clotting

Good luck!

Attempting to refute the entire petition based on a few fake signatures is a similar argument used against the VAERS database.

"Hey it doesn't matter if there's 20,000 deaths, I found this one fake report! The entire system is thus suspicious and should be disregarded"

Luckily people see right through this weak argument.

The only valid one here is:

- less personal risk

Community risk makes no sense, the vaccine has absolutely no impact on transmission. Disagree? Show me your sources

And no need for quarantine after infection if you've been vaccinated? Uh, you might just be irresponsible. Do you also refuse to wear a mask?

That is referred to as "vaccine derived immunity", look it up. Drastically different from natural immunity.

"Omicron is acting like a super booster," Unnasch said. "People who have gotten omicron are going to be really well protected against infection, not just disease moving forward, which is a really good sign."

Instead of "super booster", you can just call it what it is: natural immunity.

Great talking points until you consider the litany of issues with only trusting the numbers. Consider these questions:

- Are unvaccinated with no previous infection and unvaccinated with natural immunity split out into separate categories?

- Are the vaccinated actually still fully vaxxed or are they MONTHS past when their protection is gone and they're still counted as vaccinated?

- Are post-vaccine deaths due to Myocarditis for example being counted as unvaccinated because they haven't reached the 14 day park post-vaccination?

Pointing only to numbers without questioning the methodology behind them is dangerous IMO

You're attempting to steer the conversation away from censorship and now towards a scenario where the internet, medical journals, books were no longer available? In that situation, I would have a much harder time getting access to the information to make a decision.

Back to the original point - You're assuming that a doctor, government or corporation will make a decision for me that's in my best interests. In reality they're much more likely to make a decision for me that's in _their_ best interests. Lots of examples in the past few year+ with the pandemic.

No sites need to be blocked. This entire notion of arbitrary censorship is authoritarian gobbledygook.

Do we even need a back and forth to point out how un-related these two things are and how they shouldn't be treated the same.

No, censorship should not be accepted.

>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring.

No, the problem is with censoring people.

You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why would I need a censor in between myself and information?

No need for governments, no need for corporations, just me and my silly brain will decide what to digest. What a concept!

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We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's not with who does the censoring, it's people that try and normalize censorship.

And the most unverifiable scare tactic comment of this post award goes to...

Newborns with serious post-covid issues, eh? Do you have any proof whatsoever of this or your other claims or are we just taking your word on it.

The vaccine does not prevent transmission. You can still contract, get sick from and pass on covid-19 even being triple vaxxed. Unless you're talking about you having a reduction in symptoms == less probability of spread. That's frequently claimed but lacks proof. If you've found any science on that, please post it. I haven't.

Highly unlikely that your 100% statistic is true. Polio rages on today in Africa because of one reason: the oral polio vaccine.

Wild type polio has actually been eliminated but sixteen African nations are battling outbreaks of what's called "vaccine-derived polio."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/9058847...

>I think that the opposite is true - the vaccines have not been deployed fast enough around the world and this has allowed new more infectious variants to emerge.

Or, the incredibly narrow focus of the mRNA vaccines put enormous evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate.

All too often you hear the misconception that only the unvaccinated can act like a petrie dish for mutations, but this can happen just as easily in anyone vaccinated.

I think your first sentence is a bit premature considering the study. Its forgivable to post this because it's so early but seriously, this was done in test tubes.

"One major caveat of the current study is that we used an in vitro assay system and the pseudotyped viruses but not the real viruses were used in the assay."

_A_ Metaverse will be controlled by Facebook. One will be controlled by Microsoft, one will be controlled by NVIDIA, many will be decentralized using blockchain technologies like Web3. I see no reason to give the term to Facebook, just because they announced their product first. It's an arms race and Facebook merely fired the first shot.