marcholagao

tldr; D+K's experiment was: Assign the numbers 1 thru 10 to ten people. Have each role a 10 sided die. The person assigned a 1 will roll higher than his assigned number 90% of the time.

Daniel: >It’s not a “statistical artifact” - that will be your everyday experience living in such a world.

You can experience statistical effects. I think a lot of controversy comes from how Dunning and Kruger's paper leads people to interpret the data as hubris on the part of low-performers, and the statistical analysis demolishes that interpretation. Not knowing how well you performed is not the same thing psychologically as "overestimating" your performance.

> just because some people are abusing the system doesn't mean the system is inherently bad

How many American workers would have to be abused by this law before it becomes "inherently bad"? (as a number between 0 and 300 million)

>The reason the US is a technology superpower is not merely because of the programmers who were born in the US, but also because of the programmers who immigrated to the US.

The reason they moved to the US was to work with the programmers who were born here, so yes it literally because of our accomplishments that people strongly desire to immigrate here, and that doesn't diminish their contributions.

>wages for top talent has gone up about 20% in the last 30 years

Assuming that is true, we have been screwed out of a lot more than I realized. The United States has spent the past 30 years enjoying the greatest era of peace and prosperity the human race has ever seen and the most talented American engineers who made that possible only got a 20% raise in that time. That's shameful.

> exploitation plan only works as long that labor can't walk

That's not true. If H1-Bs were not a good deal for the guest workers, there wouldn't be a 10 year waiting list to get one. Living standards are so much higher in the United States due to massive infrastructure investments than in the countries most of these guest workers come from that accepting a lower wage than an American would otherwise earn is still a once in a lifetime opportunity for them. The workers being exploited by wage depression here are the American ones, and that's not even addressing the infrastructure costs of a growing population which is distributed evenly instead of being born solely by those incurring the cost.

> Companies also have to do prevailing wage checks, which often results in pay increases.

How? In my experience H1Bs always make less because they are taking a hit in pay in order to benefit from the public services they wouldn't get in their home country.

Two comments from the lwn comments section:

> It's interesting that the rather lengthy list of "attributes" does not include anything about political views or affiliations.

> That's a desirable and standard omission, considering one common political affiliation these days is defined largely by hatefulness towards many kinds of people. [...] It's perfectly fine for certain political affiliations to be unwelcome.

1. Make up new words to describe your political opponent's beliefs. 2. Categorize those words as "hate" and put them in the same category as sexual assault. 3. Ban your political opponents from participating in open source software.

Literally no one is fooled by this. The only political affiliation that should be unwelcome is the one that comes up with these schemes to shut down reasonable discussion because they know they would lose in an open marketplace of ideas.

That does seem high. I would put it at closer to 8% of GDP. The point I made stands though.