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i'm interested in this approach. what is your age and starting weight and what is your fasting window regime and what amount of calories per day do you shoot for?

i learned to program with python and flask and promptly started hammering out my project. flask was great for learning piece by piece what goes into a web app but eventually it grew to a point where i was relying on all these extensions that were no longer maintained and i was spending alot of time to configure and setup every last bit of functionality i needed and every extension was like a new DSL to learn.

The obvious move at the time was to move to django and I spent some time familiarizing myself with it's own DSL. But boy was i struggling all along the way to do things how I liked in Flask with django. The Django Templates were extremely limiting (no modules) and couldn't even do regular python things and I came to find that extensions for Django were in no better shape than flask's. There was no clear solution for rate limiting and various other things I was looking for.

I've followed rails from a distance for a long time but, coming from python, ruby seemed so abstract to me i could just never figure it out but towards the end of my django time, i was finding that rails did/had everything i wanted and it all worked just the way i wanted it to and it was calling to me really hard. i took a big leap and spent a couple months diving fully into ruby, doing all the tutorials, reading all the books. at this point i am officially converted and my project app with it is already further along than i ever got with flask or django. when they say "ruby/rails is built for programmer happiness", they really mean it. and i can really feel/appreciate it. it's extremely fun to use and to see real progress without having to rack my brain and figure out some internals before i can proceed every so many hours. i'm just getting shit done and things work just how you'd intuitively think they should. rails ftw

I guess that will be up to each user to decide. I don't have any never-been-done before features planned, but I do think I'm putting them together in a stand-out way that provides just a pleasant note-taking experience. simple/fast/effective/expansive without being bloated, waiting for syncing (this will be a "hybrid app"), or annoying in all the ways i find other apps to be.

must be alot of unhappy note-taking devs

Thanks.

To be honest, I am way too invested already to not finish this thing, despite whatever response I get from posts like this. Sometimes I do get curious though. A surprising number of people I've asked in person simply are not interested in saving things from the internet. I guess if all you are into is watching Snapchat and Instagram all day, why would you?

This makes me think I need to tap into the larger business-type market and has me looking into what it would take to implement a permissions system for teams/multi-user editing of notes/etc.

I'm making Keepshelf.com (not available at time of this writing), a side-project I've been off-and-on with for awhile now but I'll be launching this year.

Keepshelf is the note keeping/organizing app I've always wanted. Take notes with ease and copy/move into folders through a fast and convenient UI, instantly synced and accessible on all devises.

Ruby. Come at me...

dang, i feel like i could read you talking about the state of programming all day. so, can i ask, what is your current language/framework of choice and what would you recommend to someone in my position (just starting out, interest mainly in working on personal project that could eventually become saas products and only interested in web application development)? do you have any words of wisdom on python?

actual project.

i think it boils down to how explicit python is. it is so immediately clear to me what is going on and where things are coming from and what they are doing that when i look at ruby/rails code it looks like a big empty void that is producing something fantastic and all i can thing is "...wtf?". i really really want to know how to speak in magic but i'm not sure my brain is equipped to process it.

any issues with the railscasts videos being so outdated? i can't imagine much of the earlier stuff carries over

tried out the 57 beta on macOS (10.13) this weekend and watching in the activity monitor, the main firefox process grabbed a whopping ~800mb of my 8gb of ram + spawned sub-processes needing 20-100mb per website tab. compare this to safari and chrome that have a minimal main-process (~40mb) and then the per-tab amount. i like mozilla and firefox but it just always seems to be something with firefox that pushes me away and now that they have the speed fixed, it's eating up my finite resources.

Could you specify more on the front-end code on this project, did you hand-roll your own javascript front-end or did you use a framework? The whole thing is rather impressive and I'm looking to do something similar to your sidebar with my own project. Is all of your open source code open to be re-used/modified?

what is the technology stack used to make this site?

meh, i would never invest in building a business on the back of a company that could ruin me by disabling one little API key

i'm attemptimg to make something, so far with flask, that has left me with what i'd consider a cobbled-together mess of random extensions, some maintained, some not, some snippits of code gathered here or there over the years. it does work but for how long and can i really trust it to run a business on? my gut says "no".

i'm aware of the other other python frameworks but most of them fair even worse in the areas i'm concerned about. most are abandonware or small projects that will be difficult to get help with. django is the obvious answer but theres alot of things that really rub me wrong about it. the documentation sucks, i hate the templating engine, i hate the routing with regular expressions, and i hate subclassing things that is impossible to find the code for the master class.

ruby/rails seems like just what it is: a way to make building web applications as fun as can be and there is an army of people that have contributed to that and from everything i can see, they have succeeded and i want to learn how to use it.

this sounds...out of my skill range. thanks tho

disconcerting is definitely a good word for it. i have this sense that if i just stick with the core rails framework than at least all the basic functionality i could need are very unlikely to be abandoned. with flask its like every tiny aspect of the functionality is relying on 20 different individuals whom may or may not have really known what they were doing in the first place and/or aren't around to keep up with it and keep it updated for whatever base dependancy they wrapped around. flask is just so much hacky wrapping and scabbing on. my gut doesn't trust it to grow big with

50+ flask-specific extensions? can i see your requirements.txt? i must know what i am missing

i'm getting the sense that rails is just doing so much automatically for you that, without understanding, seems like magic but once you learned what/why/when/how it's really just saving you the effort of doing it all yourself.

i do love flask itself but something about tacking on all the extensions to build it up to be a full-size framework feels super hacky to me...

I'll be honest, Rails has a lot of magic going on that makes me uncomfortable but at the same time i desire because it would save me alot of time not have to explicitly spell it all out myself. this is part of my dilemma is whether i should sacrifice absolute control for the timesaving of trusting others and learning to do things their way instead of me hacking it together however i see fit. again, gut vs brain pulling me in different directions.

i guess i do have the "benefit" of having no clients i would lose by switching. just my own time and the potential that i'd have a harder time tackling future issues involving magic i dont understand

ya, i have considered this but ultimately i have no interest in moving to Django. there are some little python nuances i would enjoy dropping if i were to make a big move out of flask (i.e. not having to __init__ everything and making things harder to read having to put \ at the end of every line if i am in the middle of a function.

plus there was just too many negative things i read about django when deciding on flask in the first place for me to look past it. also, i am not sure how actively django is updated anymore and that is a big thing that i am looking for with my lack of time to keep up on everything is to trust that the developers of whatever framework i pick are committed to keeping me up to date with the latest-and-greatest in web technologies.

pinjot.com

savejot.com

keepshelf.com

knowba.net

hipnote.com

looks like your the only taker. any idea how to get me $50? i dont have paypal...

if you want to send a check/m.o. i will transfer to your godaddy account once it clears.

ya, i noticed all HN is good for is a little traffic bump.

thanks for the input though. i guess the pain point i've trying to fill is exactly this one: how do i get a message out to a large number of people?

reddit and HN got all the people but all they care about is 'whats new' and damned if they participate. where are all the participators?

meh, gotta try something. i'm desperate.

also, these are legit submissions/questions.

Summaries should go at the bottom and recap the points u made. TL;DR's, by definition, are there because the post is overwhelmingly long but I still want to hear the point, so it would make sense for them to go in a quick access location.

I like the TL;dr button idea that at any time takes me there, but that seems infeasable for most of the blogging population to implement.

nice idea!

really? no feedback on this? what gives

ya, this was my plan back in january when i convinced my employer to let me take thursdays & fridays off to work on my own projects.

2 days a week is not much to educate myself, map out a site, design it, and program it. i am 10 months into this task and the site is at maybe 70%.

my wife and son are demanding more of my time and attention and since this job has turned into little more than a means to pay for the car i need to get there, it's making sense to sell the car, finish this project, and see what comes of it.

Thanks for the advice.