monkeywork

Define Chastise: rebuke or reprimand severely.

Saying "we should" is not chastising anyone - saying "you're evil for doing" would be chastising.

>should be ground for removal from the public discourse about climate change.

But that's not what the person I was speaking with was arguing for they wanted a cap on CO2 emissions on an individual basis.

As far as being "chastised by hypocrites" how many of the billionares that were mentioned are out there "chastising" people - keeping in mind there is a difference between chastising (ie. Hey, you average citizen you're doing something wrong stop it) and bringing awareness to an issue (ie. Climate change is impacting the planet).

Someone using a massive platform (fame) to spread a message that they may not fully buy into but is for the greater good isn't a terrible thing.

might want to go check your math there, you moved that decimal quite significantly

Oh I'm sorry asking you to backup your thoughts with actual data is a problem for you.

Just out of curiosity I took what seems to be the "average" of the reported number of billionaires in America as 800, and the average yearly CO2 from flying via the linked article at a high point of also say 800 tons (which is likely high but easy math). That works out to 640000 tons of CO2 from all the billionaires flying around in a year.

Another quick search on how much CO2 is produced in the USA per year came out as 5.2 billion metric tons.

That means these flights are accounting for 0.0123076923% of the USA's CO2 production ... or put another way it's a rounding error.

Or maybe the disconnect is on the other side of the coin, let's say every billionaire on that list did zero flights next year - how much of a reduction in the US CO2 emissions does that actually result in. Does it equate in any meaningful (statistically) way or does it just make people like yourself "feel" better?

>A couple of years ago, everybody accepted the fact that people all should have 3 shots of vaccination to have a flight. Everybody got opposed to it. But got the shots eventually.

Which if you look back it logically now with all the evidence, we have in hindsight was an overreach that did very little good.

>I'm not the guy who has the golden law that will change the world. I'm just proposing that CO2 emission is a big problem and some of the people are exploiting it.

Which I get - however the problem with your comment (and much of the internet as a whole) is that people see a complex problem and toss out a twitter sized "obvious solution" to it without any actual thought behind it, this then causes all kinds of noise with very little signal and furthers divides. Just by replying to you some other person suggested I was "triggered" and must be on said list... That's the problem.

>Not sure why you're so deeply triggered by this; is your name on that list that you would be personally affected?

Your only response to someone finding this a gross overreach is to try and strawman them by suggesting I'm personally on the list?

I'm not defending billionaires any more than I'm defending an average person. Going down the road suggested (putting yearly or lifetime caps on how much CO2 you can produce) is frankly terrifying.

Tax the hell out of the fuel, charge larger landing fees, etc etc are all better options than having some sort of invisible countdown over everyone's head that for CO2 emissions.

That is some high-level authoritarian nonsense right there. Should there also be limits on how many KM's a person can drive a year? How many often the BBQ in their backyard?

What is the penalty for exceeding said limit in your fantasy?

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Just out of curiosity I took what seems to be the "average" of the reported number of billionaires in America as 800, and the average yearly CO2 from flying via the linked article at a high point of also say 800 tons (which is likely high but easy math). That works out to 640000 tons of CO2 from all the billionaires flying around in a year.

Another quick search on how much CO2 is produced in the USA per year came out as 5.2 billion metric tons.

That means these flights are accounting for 0.0123076923% of the USA's CO2 production ... or put another way it's a rounding error.

As someone who has operated aircraft, watercraft, motorcycles, and various other automobiles - end of the day if I'm the operator it's on ME to make sure it's in proper working order, that I'm familiar with how it works and how to react in an emergency, and to ensure that I'm attentive and operating it in a safe fashion. If I'm using assists it doesn't negate that responsibility.

If you aren't willing to take on that responsibility perhaps you shouldn't be operating the vehicle.

>You cause an accident by manually driving, you are legally liable. >You release auto pilot software that causes an accident, you are legally liable.

The human behind the wheel should always be the one liable unless it can be shown that the human attempted to take corrective action and the system for some reason overrode the human or wouldn't allow the correction and "forced" the accident.

that is a very interesting way of communicating that point. thank you filing that away :)

... sure ... "Literally" ... wow

You do realize there are many places in the world where WhatsApp is the defacto standard tool to communicate correct?

great - however you are one person, the large banks involved here have staff of a few hundred thousand each across several countries and with various backgrounds and norms, many who are also friends and have contact with each other outside of office hours.

I agree, one needs to keep work comms on approved software, I'm simply stating that while it's fun to be like "oohh big bad bank was hiding secret convos" it was more likely "janet i'm out today can you take the meeting with svp of <insert corp>"

Put another way context matters in terms of how the public should react to the news, not so much the result (fines) or the regulations / requirements.

Work in the sector and once the investigations / fines came out massive notifications went out across the board reminding everyone not to use unapproved comms.

Was this used for nefarious purposes - possibly - but more likely it was general communications between team members using a platform that is more comfortable to them than either 1st party tools or something approved like teams. 99.9% of this was likely reminders for meetings, attendance and coverage messages, a message to a team member who timezone shifted from you and may be off any you need an answer etc. I'd guess most people involved didn't even consider the record keeping because their day to day jobs don't involve actual trading info, and the "encryption" of those services likely made them feel a more comfortable than they should.

Not trying to excuse the behavior - yes the record keeping is important - but I think it's also important to realize this was likely largely innocent.

sadly no they aren't... thus the word "incredibly" -> "to a great degree; extremely or unusually."

Most people are average, many are below average.

Interac is a company formed by the big banks in Canada to link all their networks and help insure we have uniformity. I believe it started as a way to standardize ATM machines and has grown to a bunch of other things and is largely why Canada was able to so quickly and completely adopt chip and pin and tap to pay literal decades before the US did.

It sounds very much like some of the Interac services that we have here in Canada (and have had for ages). We can do what is called "email money transfer" where as long as I know your email address I can go into my bank app, transfer money to you and it will automatically show up in your bank account.

>The funny part is Walmart in Canada fully allows contactless… almost as if they don’t care they aren’t getting that customer data up there.

No it's because our banking system is dramatically different in Canada and the expectations of the average shopper and the POS options available to them here are all working to force that issue.

Canada had chip and pin and contactless LONG LONG before the US did - and it's easier for us to make these pivots and changes due to fewer banks and pre-defined co-operation agreements.

>My step mom is in her 60s, a prolific reader, member of two book clubs and most of her friends are readers. She would never think about joining Bookwyrm because the value prop makes no sense to her.

A free site to discuss books with others doesn't make sense to her? The first line on their website says "BookWyrm is a social network for tracking your reading, talking about books, writing reviews, and discovering what to read next." Sounds like that might be your step mom's jam.

>Why does anyone care about federated? (I’m talking normal people here.) Mastodon, Pleroma? What are those? Who cares? Why? (Again, talking as normal people here, the kind of people you’d talk to waiting in line for a Southwest Airlines flight to Orlando.)

I agree why would she care about any of those things - she's just signing up to a site to talk about books. You're the one focusing on those things not her. I honestly struggle to follow these complaints from tech-oriented folks on tech-oriented websites tying to say that some phantom person who isn't tech oriented will just be deeply lost.

You talk about products based on the audience - here on Hacker News it makes sense to talk about the fact that this is federated and activitypub based, at your step moms book club you'd just talk about the fact that it's a social site for books.

Lets not forget as well that as pointed out in this article OEL is essentially just a play at undercutting RHEL and is the main reason (imho) that RH/IBM took the steps they have over the last few months is because of OEL undercutting them (I think it had VERY VERY little to do with Rocky/Alma)

>That is a good point, however I've not heard of too many cases where organizations intentionally skip RHEL releases. Systems that are being actively developed do regularly upgrade through each RHEL release, and the 10 year support just lets them be lazy about how quickly they do so.

Industry specific - but finance world, we still had straggling RHEL5 machines up until a year or two ago and still have a bunch of RHEL6 machines and have basically NO RHEL9. The vast majority of the machines are all sitting on RHEL7/8.

I love the keypad on my F150 I seriously wish all vehicles had it.

OEL is basically the primary driver that caused RHEL to take this current path this is all just too rich.

Considering Oracle is the primary reason RHEL is even doing any of this.... wow

we have a long history of no to little enforcement (because it's incredibly difficult to do) on traditional bikes largely due to lack of licensing/training.

You will never have proper enforcement without training, licensing, and insurance. For proof on that look at the lack of enforcement of traditional bikes and basic road safety for our entire lives

>Why are electric vehicles somehow able to be sold bypassing those requirements?

Because they are much cheaper to produce, and overall the segment doesn't require any licensing, safety inspections, or really any "check in" to operate on the roads with the government so very difficult to enforce any rules.

>Stop them! Confiscate the vehicle! Prosecute the driver for driving an unregistered, non-certified vehicle, uninsured and without a driving license!

Easier said than done it seems because the police in my area can't barely enforce normal traffic rules on conventional bikes let alone e-bikes that go much faster.

Not where I am - if you read my original comment I made that pretty clear. The term e-bike here covers everything from motor assisted traditional bikes to what is basically an electric dirt bike with the later generally being more popular than the former

>Are you talking about serious safety risk to the rider or too others?

To the rider, pedestrians, riders of traditional bikes, and property damage.

>We’re talking about low speed, low risk, low property damage.

You realize that many of these are now being sold going 40-60mph ... that's not low speed, not low risk (many of them are built with wheels and brakes that are not safe for the speeds not to mention the cheap chinese batteries that catch on fire), nor low property damage when they hit things at top speed.

> exercise alone would have a positive impact in the U.S. that could very well offset the costs.

What exercise? The vast majority of these being sold aren't "pedal assisted" they are full electric sudo motorcycles.