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Gentle reminder that this is against the guidelines, it comes across somewhat as sneering and dismissive (which i don’t think was the intent, but is there none the less).

I have read the guide, although i appreciate reaffirming it as the source of truth. What’s hard is from a glance at the posters history their comments don’t seem to break the guidelines, but instead fall into the camp of spirited (albeit strongly so) opinions. Are there specific comments made that weren’t in the spirit of the guidelines? It feels “primarily for ideological purposes” is hard to counter in a discussion because “ideological” itself is a murky term at best.

Dang, We get you’re frustrated but he’s just stating his opinion. It’s not out of line relative to the other discourse in this thread.

I understand that this sort of thing can be taken as "inflammatory", but if you're one of these groups, your _existence is political and flamebaity_; You can't escape it. That's why people are bringing it up, because they're the ones that have to live with the consequences.

From a legal perspective it seems pretty clear there was a lack of standing

You haven’t engaged me with research or data once, you just keep concern trolling. Please try to at least use something quantitative to backup your arguments

Yes, this has been a national issue with bills and campaigns for almost as long as I can remember. What do you mean?

And I believe the opposite. So where is your proof? You seem to be doing a lot of pearl clutching

Because that’s just forces colleges to accept rich white kids who will be the less risky in regards to paying off their loans. Guys, y’all are supposed to be smart, really? You all can’t see through this bullshit?

To address these other concerns, checkout out podcasts like pitchfork economics or freakanonics. There’s no reason to think interest would go up. That’s just concern trolling from republicans

Did you look at how the house and senate voted on these matters?

This is why this country will always be crabs in a bucket

Jesus Christ, you need help

what would it take, quantitatively, to alleviate any concerns with this policy of forgiveness?

Did you read the paper? It’s very much not an argument for Peter robbing Paul. Unless you’re saying investing in people’s education is robbery?

Pardon, this was deeper linked, but your previous comments describe the overall forgiveness as a bandaid, or generally not helpful. That is not supported by the research.

We want the same things, but please try to at least engage with me on the data and research. I don’t want the powers that be to crush us any more than you do. I care about people, and from what you’ve written I know you do too, so let’s tackle this the best we can with the information we have. I’m not trying to trick you, really

College, Education, training, viewing people as our greatest assists. This is America, we can do it

Reposting so others don’t feed into this propaganda. The talking point that loan forgiveness would “raise taxes” is at best dubious. Here is one, of many studies that dispute it

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/rpr_2_6.pdf

How were they supposed to pass the law with the filibuster?

It failed due to the GOP, which didn’t exactly vote favorably on any measures related to this when they did have a chance.

Here’s some research that supports it

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/rpr_2_6.pdf

Here’s some research showing loan forgiveness would be a net boon on the economy

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/rpr_2_6.pdf

I don’t know what more to say, so please read this and get back to me. Research shows this would actually be a good thing

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/rpr_2_6.pdf

The research on this is clear, what you’re describing is totally unrelated

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/rpr_2_6.pdf

Also, and I mean this sincerely… are you okay? You sound angry, resentful even. Please go talk to someone, this seems much bigger than student loan forgiveness.

Why not both?

This is a common attitude, and an understandable one, but it’s very much at odds with the research. There are more studies and discussions, but this is one of them highlighting how this is a nothing burger

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/rpr_2_6.pdf

Can’t until the republicans are voted out

I’m glad they did, we were in a pandemic.

I’m sorry that you feel that way, but I’m happy to help these people