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overcooked2··on How Silicon Valley Became a Den of Spies
> I wonder if it would be helpful to mandate civics education for university students on student visas.

We need to make sure everyone - whether they are international students spending 4 years studying, immigrants in the workforce, or locals who have been here their whole lives - feel welcomed in this country and develop a strong positive affinity to their new home (whether or not they stay forever), and especially the values we try and represent.

We can make people feel more welcomed and included as individuals: we can try and include more newcomers and students in our own social circles.

I'm a bit skeptical of trying to reverse brainwash people with a western patriotic civics education, but a mandated program to teach newcomers their rights and how the (in principle) mostly fair and transparent legal system works is probably a good thing.

Each student or immigrant from Russia or China are individuals with their own unique motivations, personality and temperaments. It's absolutely unfair to paint them all with the same brush but they are clearly still vulnerable to a powerful authoritarian government which can threaten and coerce them to act against the US.

Also, for every strategy the west develops, the government of China will have a counter strategy. Fortunately, I think we can win this fight.

> Even so, just as a store can survive some shoplifters, surely American industry can survive some IP misappropriation, perhaps with some light assistance from a tariff system or deduction against foreign aid payments?

I suspect a systematic, state sponsored attack on US IP (particularly future technology) from a competent government is greater threat than you think. Remember that a strong economy funds all other parts of government.

overcooked2··on How Silicon Valley Became a Den of Spies
Society has to avoid McCarthyism (a 'reds under the bed' panic). This is what China wants and it plays directly into the propaganda. They want false accusations and race based panic.

Authoritarian states stealing advanced technology will be multigenerational challenge, but it's a solvable problem. But we must stick our values while we solve it.

The first thing to change the cost/benefit analysis of theft. This means evidence based prosecutions conducted transparently with real jail sentences.

Technical solutions can help. All business producing innovation need long term high quality logs for all activity (you need to know who downloaded what software source code and when)

Perhaps the most difficult to overcome problem comes from Patriotic Education, which is state sponsored brainwashing starting from kindergarten (since 1990) leaving a potentially indelible effect on the psyche of graduates of the Chinese education system. A well rounded study of history and understanding of national strategies is needed to see through any government's propaganda (but the propaganda from the government of China in particular). This study is something we all can benefit from.

Every culture agrees stealing is wrong. Threats and coercion are wrong. On this issue the moral high ground clearly belongs to the US. But we need to be careful to always keep the moral high ground and never alienate people who have done no wrong.

The centuries old idea of letting people into our country to work and by adopting a few values become accepted as as American as any other is a powerful global piece of soft power. But powerful nations will always try to exploit to cheat America out of the technology it develops.

We must understand China's long term strategy and fight back using our moral high ground, which includes a transparent legal system. We must see through China's propaganda (it says it is not a perpetrator but instead a victim of hacking. The truth is, it is both.)