phosphophyllite

> A dream of an ultimate OS

I want linux with:

— Wayland

— KDE and only KDE

— Development SDK based on Qt (other toolkits strongly restricted, gtk and gnome gone wrong way)

— Packaging based on something like APK from android or like DMG (no repos by default, only for base system maybe, but other methods of installing not restricted).

Snaps and flatpack are trash because their goal is so called security and isolation, when normal human being need just convenience (hate repos on desktop).

Yes, it's macOS model, but with linux you can have different filesystems.

> bundle all of their dependency libs

Mother of God! Very popular argument. No one cares (in terms of architecture).

> vulnerabilities are found in their bundled libs!

Yes, god only knows how entire install base of mac and windows machines works today (this problem is not as big as you try to present here).

Your arguments like debate about linux monolithic and minix micro kernel architecture. Minix is more advanced in theory, linux (not linux desktop) working in reality.

It's impossible when you just need pick up one distro and get new desktop software as it releases, and it also being supported by commercial vendors.

Amazing example of why linux desktop goes wrong direction is so many distros. When you have many answers – you don't have answer.

Ubuntu studio for artists, Kubuntu for those who like KDE, Debian for thos who don't like updates (._.), gentoo, etc etc.

Why on windows and mac user can compile, and update anything? Just install photoshop (or newer version of gimp that available for majority of users on windows earlier than on linux before snap/appimage) and you get "distro" for artists.

And even snaps/appimages go wrong direction and overthink problem with security and sandboxing — when majority of users just need one runtime to deal with, like in SteamClient.

No one wants download or plug special repo/package for debian or fedora — this is amazing resource waisting! (insane even)

1. Mac OS somehow achieved exactly this. 2. Actually no-changes and no-brainers are bad for mental health of elderly. In that age brain needs training.

Can you just not upgrade on your own machine. Why other should suffer? Changes in life are inevitable.

Let me remind you that binary distros emerged for convenience and speed – you dont need to compile bunch of stuff when internet and computing power was limited, e.g. new version of gimp (or mpv) with feature you really waited and wanted.

I have never (never!) encountered security problems, and sudden config changes in most updates (lates major versions of KDE are exceptions) and this is not a problem at all on my desktop machine.

Problem is when can't intsall new version wihout learning new often sophisticate upgrade procedures or even compiling/building (let me remind you it's 2019 today).

Debian is not universal, it's a server distro with desktop packages appeared in repos by as a result of some mistake.

How can I find "unofficial" testing image with non-free drivers?

Will someday debian authors and die hard fans understand that old libc and old Firefox or Gimp are different and one really can mean stable and another can be just outdated?

Is it possible that desktop should be developed in other manner than server?

Is it possible to obtain proprietary driver for video core (in the sake of gaining extra video performance)?

Maybe RPi developers deal with with some investors that way? (in order to attract more money)

WOW, if USB3 and NIC are dedicated devices (not share one usb bus) this is amazing little machine!

Maybe censoring is not effective?

Why not to embrace any content and just make police raids when someone uploads questionable content?

Is censorship solves anything?

And? This is somehow solves fragmentation problem?

Can linux-desktop stand more fragmentation?

Compressed air effective against little dust particles. But in case of fabric pieces or hair-like things it only making things worse.

Probably it's "compose key" feature available on linux, allowing one to type alternative characters via key mnemonics, rather than numeric key codes like on windows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key

This same freedom as mining ore for car - virtual thing. You actually can go to another side of universe (as far as light cone allows).

On windows you just can download the same program and use it without any compiling. And you can freely downgrade it if you want to. No compiling, no messing with repos, makeinstall, and randomly corrupted system.

> but that misses the point of Linux

Linux is kernel - I talk about good alternative for macOS/Windows, alternative desktop system, that can do much better than other two.

Well, at this point it's very complicated.

And this is why I think snap/flatpack/etc model ("system" in system) is real solution for linux desktop.

Valve's Steam client already achieved same thing: provided one "sdk" for apps, one runtime (that developer can rely on) - because you can't have one main linux organisation like microsoft and apple.

Bleeding edge is development branch of some app like canary builds of chrome.

New version of Gimp available for all windows users at day one after release is not bleeding edge - it's just normal new release.

Meaning of "bleeding edge" and "stable" became strangely twisted in linux community.

New version of browser is not bleeding edge - it just normal life cycle of modern software (year 2019).

MacOS model is real solution. Like really.

Windows + chocolatey or macos + brew (cask) is better than any repository with dependencies on linux.

Also, do not want Arch or any <distro-name> - I just want LINUX (or Desktop Linux).

One predictable system, instead of many kinds/variants of basically the same programs - one system to hate, one system to deal with. (Arch wiki is good though)

Linux desktop needs consistency and freedom (yes, open source desktop needs freedom).

Freedom of updating and installing newer versions of software without waiting for maintainer/distro half of year to build new package (outdated next week because it's STABLE package).

This is main problem of any linux desktop initiative - linux users get newer gimp after windows users.

Hope snaps/flatpack/appimage solve this problem in future (snap versions of apps look ugly now).