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Here he talks a bit about the perl community
Even if one of the projects implements the full perl 6 spec that exists today, there are very few perl 5 devs that will switch over ,If I were asked to guess it would be less than 5 %. Perl 6 as a language has to start at the bottom with other programming languages . The name perl6 was used because one of the reason (I am not sure of this) was to retain the name to get perl5 devs to move to the next version of the language and at that time perl5 was a dominant language.
Another perspective to look at is that perl6 was announced in early 2000 clojure came around 2007 , scala appeared around 2003. There are other languages like go and dart which have google backing that have come out.
So IMHO if you want to learn language design and the other things around it perl6 is a good playground you will learn and easy to get into the community but you will not get a job because of it. If you are a user of programming language who wants to use a language for solving a real world problem today (with libraries and get questions answered) or learn a language which will get you a job you will be better off with perl5 , php, ruby, python, scala, clojure or <insert your lang>
At this point how many companies do you know of that use perl6 to solve their business problem (may be as simple as a web app) ?. Has there been any job posting anywhere which are looking for perl6 devs?
It was intended as a general comment that some people might not like it and equate it like that based on his comment that only a fraction people actually attended it and maybe if it was made compulsory they might not like it and there is a probability that they will say that.
Just a point that what ever you do there will be some group that will not like it .
Just ranting out here so feel free to ignore :-)
This is not really aimed at the author but towards the "elite" group. There was another elite commentator in one of the other thread who said he dropped out of ML class because This course included gems such as "if you don't know what a derivative is, that is fine" and he thought math was important in ML. Before the ML class I could not even argue with these guys because I did not know squat about AI and talking to these experts their advice was to take a year off and learn math and then start learning AI which in my case was not possible. Today after a couple of months of online classes I am actually using ML in my daily work and its not magic that only the elite with deep profound math knowledge can use. Another programmer who is working in khan academy actually had a blog post about how he implemented ML by learning from Prof Andrew's class now that is real world impact. I may be missing something but can one of you experts please explain why you need deep math knowledge when the professor who has been doing a lot of research in this field a lot more than you does not think so ?. The professor in his classes keeps reassuring that even after using it for so many years he has difficulty in the subject but I'm guessing these experts know it all :-).
This is the reason in my opinion even though wall street is full of smart people they do not care about the rest of the population or the general masses the attitude is we are smart and we can do what we want you guys are dumb and deserve what you get and if someone outside of their elite group starts talking their language they do not like it.
On a similar note when you look at the people complaining about khan academy most of them are these so called smart people.
Let me talk about my background I have been working as a programmer for around 11 years , no math background though thought myself math by using Khan academy and before my layoff (now am working on my own startup ) used to make 90K (in a southern state).
So guys you are not the center of the world we are crashing into your fraternity you are no longer the only experts who can talk about ML , the guys at stanford are smarter than you and know what they are doing and FYI they don't need you its the other way around. Another interesting thing is that mostly the current students seem to agree with the author, If you are smart you should probably take the effort to learn more rather than asking them to tailor the classes to what you think matters . Also ask yourself this question if you were the Professor what do you think is more satisfying teaching 40 full time students or 20000 who are in the field already and make more impact in the field ?.