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"The fundamental theories on which the modern science of political economy is based are these:
That under primitive conditions men lived and live by barter"
The basic premise, that barter was (and is) by which 'primitive' (whatever that is) live, has been thoroughly debunked by contemporary anthropologists of money. David Graeber's 'Debt: The first 5000 years" is a must read for anyone interested in the topic of theory of money from the anthroological (i.e., empirical) perspective:"NSA 'engaged in industrial espionage' - Snowden"
Although especially noticeable with Bitcoin, it is in general a prominent flaw of HN, the top comment is always something negative. Maybe its because users here feel thay are smarter by trashing stuff and dont want to be caught liking the wrong stuff, so they upvote whatever negative comment is gaining momentum.
Parent in this case, by the way, is wrong. Blockchain.info is a remarkably well designed and implemented site, if not fully consistent with Bitcoin's spirit, pretty close to it.
"This means either merchants aren't seeing too many bitcoin sales OR a lot of these sales are happening offchain through coinbase/bitpay." (...) "in the latter scenario..."
And then you say something that makes little sense... what giant fee are you talking about?? Merchants are actually offering DISCOUNTS for payments via Bitcoin.
Coinbase or Bitpay are optional facilitators, for people who want to buy or accept bitcins. That is not centralisation, that is just providing a service. Lots of people use Coinbase to buy their coins and then withdraw them to their offline-decentralised cold wallts created in electrum.
About your second point. I was one of the people who had coins at Gox. Hundreds of them. I still think the parent is right and you are wrong.
As for KYC procedures, YES YOU DID provide a lot of information to Paypal. To open the bank account that you need to use Paypal in the first place, you were required to provide lots of personal info and ID, and sign lots of forms.
On the other hand, to create a Bitcoin wallet you could just throw some dice (or download electrum, among other options), and no one can even ask you any questions. Send coins to that wallet, and you can buy at Dell or wherever you like, with ton more privacy than with Paypal.
The fallacy you just made is basically that you represented the KYC requirements to BUY coins from SOME companies as if it were a property of the whole Bitcoin system. You can absolutely use Coinbase-Dell to SPEND your Bitcoins, and it will have the same privacy as if it were a P2P transaction, no ID required. Source: I have bought stuff from vendors who accept bitcoins via Coinbase.
If you want an answer, it is easy: companies like coinbase or bitpay know very well what they are doing, and participate in the market in ways that minimise the exposure risk. OP does not deserve to be top post in a site that is supposed to have quality debate like HN.