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Homicide rate in NK (4.4 / 100k)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/intentional-homicides-per...

Homicide rates from firearms NK (0.11 / 100k)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homicide-rates-from-firea...

Homicide rate in USA (6.1 / 100k)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homicide-rate?tab=chart&s...

Homicide rates from firearms USA (4.63 / 100k)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homicide-rates-from-firea...

So USA is more dangerous than NK in general and the chances of getting shot and killed (quoting "Can you criticise the government without you and your family being shot?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25032711) are 42 times worse in USA than in NK.

It means that for every person shot and killed in NK there are 42 in USA.

I was wrong anyway, it's not 6 chances in 1 million but ~1 chance in a million to get shot and killed in NK.

Compare it now to some other western country, for example Italy, my country:

homicide rate: 0.7 / 100k

homicide rate by firearms: 0.3 / 100k

Italy is quite average for the west, all the other western countries have similar stats, more or less.

What's wrong with the US?

You don't need the right to bear arms to revolt to tyrants.

There is no similar right in any other part of the World, in every other part of the World there have been revolts, sometimes much larger than US has ever witnessed.

Many countries have also revolted against USA, that more often than not has been the tryrant.

Seriously guys, 2nd amendment was written in 1791, the Annales Bertiniani are from 840.

The idea that the 2nd amendment protects the peasants is also wrong and it's one of the reasons people laugh at USA, when the 2nd amendment was approved, Grand Duchy of Tuscany had already abolished death penalty.

2nd amendment was introduced to permit people to shoot tax collectors (i.e. the British)

It's so ourageous isn't it?

a thousand years before the 2nd amendment was conceived, peasant had other preoccupations than bearing expensive, heavy, difficult to handle arms.

What were they thinking?

Did they not love freedom?

It's so incredible that they did not copy the US Constitution, even though the first Constitution in the human history /, the Magna Charts, was written 4 centuries later than the Annales Bertiniani, in 1215.

Good answer, but hyronically in USA you have 6 chances in 100 thousands to be murdered, in NK it's 6 in a million.

Looks like the chimpanzee cells are not safer after all.

> Why isn't this middle ground being discussed?

that's what they need to do even today after they have found enough evidence that the court sent you what's called "notice of inquiry" and preliminary investigations start (it doesn't mean yo are guilty, it means there's gonna be an official investigation on you and after the investigation has ended they're gonna either drop the charges or go to trial).

but crime prevention usually works best when investigations are kept secret.

Imagine if in Italy we called every mob boss the police was investigating on to tell them they were tapping their phones or checking their bank accounts.

They knew it anyway, but that's where the middle ground is.

Another possibility would be, as I've written somewhere else, that a pair of keys is always created and made available to the local authorities, but they have to be authorized from a judge to use them.

The encrypted data is instead kept on the provider side, so that even if someone steals the keys, they can't access the data because it is in a separate facility, protected in the same way it is today, because it's in the best interest of the provider, that is already collecting that data, to keep it safe.

And if someone steals the data, can't decrypt it.

Metadata are also very important to investigators, I imagine that their need to decrypt the conversations comes from the fact that with the metadata they can narrow down the number of suspects to a few, but without the actual content they can't tell exactly what's going on.

> if they read the messages and find you've done some crime, authorities will eventually track you down

that's not so obvious.

I could show you a lot of cases when this has not happened, for various reasons, most of them formal (tapping lasted a few hours more than authorized, tapping was badly misreported in some other meaningless section of the conversation but it's enough to nullify it in its entirety, tapping included someone else that was not under investigation that should have been removed from the records bu it's still there, etc. etc.)

That's a bit catastrophic.

First of all, I don't about you, but I am European and have been actively involved in the process of bringing encryption to all of EU citizens, as an obligation to the companies that supply communication software.

I trust the people of EU, on the other hand you seem not to trust other's people capabilities, not even your own parents

> "Apple does know better than the vast majority of its users. It's why I buy, and properly configure, iPhones for my senior citizen parents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25032742

I would never talk like that of my mom and dad.

Anyway, back to the point: there is always a tension to find a middle ground between two different opposing interest: one is privacy and secrecy the other is safety.

You probably know technology better than me, you probably know there are technical solutions to the problem that, obviously, involve having some fate that the public servants will exercise the necessary due diligence.

One possible solution that popped out of my mind is to use the same functionalities chat applications use for groups (not because I agree, but because it is possible without compromising too much what we already lacked anyway - secrecy and privacy).

When you have an E2E encrypted group chat every person in the chat receives the encryption keys and messages are encrypted by each sender, signed, sent to the server that than forward it to any participant in the group.

Or you could do it the PGP way, each recipient has its own keys and the message is encrypted for each one of them.

What we need is to add to it separation of church and state.

The state is always participating in these chats, meaning that it always receives a pair of keys, but it has no access to the actual encrypted data, that is stored by the provider and inaccessible by anyone else unless authorized by the justice system.

Nobody, except the key owner, jas the keys to drecrypt them anyway.

It is exactly how it worked before with phone calls, companies kept records of calls and SMS, but they could only be accessed from authorized actors.

Records and keys would expire after a period of time (it was 10 years for phone calls)

objection 1: it means WhatsApp and the other will keep records of my communications -> they are already doing it anyway

objection 2: it would take a lot of space -> they are already doing it anyway

objection 3: that would give the state power over my communications -> it already has it

objection 4: that means anybody could decrypt my messages -> not really, and it would be a crime, you can't prevent crimes by not doing things, in any case it would be easier to steal your phone.

Then downvote the media, not me

Anyway: Chicago, June 2020, 18 people killed in 24 hours

Worst event in 60 years

Los Angeles is gonna exceed 300 homicides in a year

Last time it happened was 20 years ago

These are war numbers to me, as Italian

Rome is the same size of Chicago and had 11 homicide in a year

Italy has 60 million citizens and there were "only" 276 homicides in a year, Los Angeles is a 5 million people city

I'm Italian, it's a crime here too, I don't have to go to Berlin to see how it goes, when my father's home was raided by Nazis and he had to run and hide in the woods where he lived for two years, till the end of the war

He was 4 years old.

If you read again what I wrote it's already there: free of opinion doesn't mean that all opinions are permitted, because some of them are crimes.

Anyway, if you know Berlin you should also know that there have been a spree of neo-nazi violence lately and the police is not doing much to stop it (I lived in Berlin for a few years)

https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-admits-failures-over-far...

> Before this there was no way to literally monitor everyone

The DDR did it

Another important factor is that until 20-30 years ago people communicated a lot less

They mostly talked face to face

The challenge today is not easier: to literally monitor everyone is not possible, the signal to noise ratio is too high

They could listen to everyone, it's doubtful it is possible to extract any meaningful information on random communications between random people that are not being monitored because they are already of interest

As someone else said metadata is more important because it allows to create connections between actors from thin air. When you have narrowed the scope, listening becomes a lot more effective.

Disclaimer: I've made - very minor - contributions to the 2017 proposal to enforce mandatory E2E encryption (as a technical consultant, I have no political role of any kind)

How does that follow?

I am as free as anybody else in the EU to use any chat software I want.

This is just a proposal and ha no value in itself until it is approved and ratified by the single parliaments in the EU countries.

EU is not some tirannic state, or some hegemonic super power where when the president loses the elections they refuse to leave.

It's a very complex political institution, that works through official channels.

the proposal is public, there will be a discussion, years of debates, they did not hide it under the carpet, it's in the open so that anyone is aware of what it entails and can react by supporting it or opposing to it.

Nothing to be scared about.

And if the citizen of Europe through their elected members of the EU parliament will approve it, so be it.

It's the democratic process at work.

I bet nobody read the proposal...

EU commission chose signal as official chat app and has been pushing E2E encryption for everybody for a long time.

A law proposal has been presented to enforce mandatory E2E encryption in 2017

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/procedure/EN/2017_3

UK particularly opposed to it.

Also Germany.

This is another proposal, and that's just what it is, a proposal, it has no other value than that.

You were told a lie.

USA has been doing it as long as the second war started and never stopped.

And they consider strong encryption a weapon.

Are you familiar with the Zimmermann case?

Ehm...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowd...

> The EU doesn't see free speech as a basic human right

Of course it is, it's called freedom of opinion, simply some opinions are considered crimes by the EU law system.

Removing a post that incites someone to commit suicide or to kill someone can save the poster from being prosecuted.

That's it.

Private communications are excempted though, unless they need to be used in a trial after a judge authorized it.

> We've wiped viruses off the face of the planet

I believe it is correct to say we eradicated the disease but we don't know if the virus died

Smallpox still exists in the form of monkeypox in the wild and as rabbitpox in labs

FDA approved a new drug to treat smallpox (only tested on monkeys and rabbits infected with monkeypox and rabbitpox) in 2018 because smallpox resurgence does remain a realistic threat and having a stock pile of at least two different vaccines that attack the virus in different ways is the only way to prevent it from becoming drug resistant

> Not a mod, but I'll take an educated guess that this is what ires someone:

It was a simple question, I had the last 6-7 post immediately downvoted at zero points upon submission.

Seconds later.

Unless someone is tracking me , which would be rather incredible, I wanted to know if I triggered something.

Have you ever heard of people shadow banned without warnings?

A post among many to explain what I mean

It's ok if the moderators do their job the way they are told to, it's more of a problem if you don't know why and especially if it happened to you

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23681860

To be honest I don't care if someone is ired or not, being ired is a choice and usually doesn't depend to what other people do, but how we react to them

OLE was only part of the strategy, the idea behind it was to create a "document centric" operating system.

In other words the "no apps operating system" is what Microsoft envisioned already with Windows 95

IBM tried something similar with OS/2 warp that was "object centric"

The idea failed, not because of OLE, every other technology was bad back then and inherently less secure, but because the World moved back to app centric view and rebranded it as people centric. the modern app stores are the result of that and the fact that the integration comes in the form of "share this" "tweet this" "post this image on Instagram" is why we still have apps at the center of the old desktop metaphor, because branding has more monetary value than function (we don't beven write anymore, we tweet), even though something functional is better than something with just a brand attached to it.

But that doesn't mean that the Democratic party message comes from the far left.

Biden can't pronounce the word "free healthcare" for fear of losing votes.

That's what I was contesting: far right is right at the centre of the political scene side by side with Trump, far left is not because it has no direct representation in the political system.

Unless you consider someone like Sanders a far left extremists, which is not.

Far left movements are mostly extra-parliamentary

> anyone on the right is a lunatic

In my country where there isn't a two party only system, but a plethora of positions ranging from the most extreme to the most moderate, for decades the left Vs right battle created a gradient of opinions

There are lunatics on the left and on the right, sometimes they have been violent, sometimes they put our democracy at risk, but in the end both left and right rejected them

We had our momentary lapse of reason when we (not me, but still...) elected Berlusconi, it seemed we lost our mind (we probably did) and nothing worse could ever happen to any other country politically speaking

Trump is on a new level of tribalism, divide and polarization though

How a real lunatic, with evident sever mental health issues ended up at the white house is gonna be a big black spot on American history (the greatest democracy in the World, the greatest country in the world, etc. etc.)

It goes both ways, if you don't consider that one side has a leader calling out his people to be vigilant and prepared and in fact two men father and son have been arrested yesterday in Philadelphia armed of ar-15 with hundreds of rounds, the other has leaders thanking the volunteers of all sides and talking about reuniting American people

I suggest they stop meddling with other nations internal affairs and stop complaining if large parts of the world are challenging their self appointed role of hegemonic country and are calling them out for their past crimes

Colonization through military power is not hegemony, is tyranny

> you're off by a factor of a million in deaths.

Well, it that's true it means that wars started by US have only caused less than fifty deaths...

Given that the war in Afghanistan alone caused between 500.0000 and 800.000 deaths (depending on the source), the factor is more probably around 2 to 1

> Over 111,000 Afghans, including civilians, soldiers and militants, are estimated to have been killed in the conflict. The Cost of War project estimated that the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may be as high as 360,000 additional people based on a ratio of indirect to direct deaths in contemporary conflicts. These numbers do not include those who have died in Pakistan

They didn't need to, they have their men there and hid many former Nazi officials

> The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état (Portuguese: Golpe de estado no Brasil em 1964 or, more colloquially, golpe de 64) was a series of events in Brazil from March 31 to April 1 that led to the overthrow of President João Goulart by members of the Brazilian Armed Forces, supported by the United States government.The coup put an end to the government of Goulart (also known as 'Jango'), a member of the Brazilian Labour Party [...] although a moderate nationalist, Goulart was accused of being a communist by right-wing militants, he was unable to take office [...] The coup brought to Brazil a military regime politically aligned to the interests of the United States government. This regime lasted until 1985, when Neves was indirectly elected the first civilian president of Brazil since the 1960 elections.

The usual same old story.

It's the same thing they did to Lula.

But you're right, bombed was an exaggeration on my part, they usually invade or send weapons and cavalry

Well it is relevant because US egemony is dead.

And it was about time.

Also: US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-mil...

Italian here.

Could you explain what you actually mean?

Our justice system is a sovereign power and doesn't depend on executive power, but is completely independent from it.

Is it true?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-trump-brou...

Trump brought war on US soil, Americans VS other Americans, is it better?

Think about this: countries when during elections riot on the streets happen, the incumbing foment a civil war and refuse to admit he's lost the elections, are usually bombed by USA.

The end of US egemony could be good for the middle class outside of the US, especially South America and the Middle East.

Not saying it will, but that during the unrivaled US egemony after the end of the cold war things have been worse for the middle/poor segment of society, especially in the west.

Could be a coincidence, could be bad luck, could be a correlation.

> If you feel so strongly about "mamma mia", then you should have no problem with other people feeling strongly about the implications of 'GIMP', regardless of its origin (which you haven't mentioned once; it's a film reference

Pffff

That's some heavy twisting of my words

Or some kind of cognitive dissonance

I don't feel anything about "mamma mia", I feel that the people that invented a false stereotype, which is also offensive to many, because it's not representative of Italians just like Nazis are not representative of Germans, has no right to feel offended by something that is their own creation.

Stephen Frey gave the perfect definition of this behaviour

> It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what.

I pointed to Americans because they are the only ones who constantly whine about everything, not knowing that they are a very very very small part of the World population and their whines are insignifcant

They really can't understand it

Either because they are dumb or assholes is yet to be determined, but it's a fact.

Constantly lamenting that GIMP is offensive on every thread about GIMP or GTK or even something not directly related like someone posts "have you ever tried GIMP" or "that could be solved with some GIMP-FU", while it is actually not a problem for billion of people, is so annoying that I wish Colombo stayed home sick that day he left for the Indias.

> Actually, they do. It's a well-known problem that people don't just downvote for content that they think is inappropriate or irrelevant

That's because the majority of Reddit users read subreddits where the majority of commenters are American

It's just a bias towards the platform given by the fact that the majority of its userbase comes from the same country with the heavy social issues I was talking about fee paragraphs before.

I don't hang out with American redditors anymore, I only read subreddits of things I like that are not of interest to American general population and my opinion of Reddit completely changed

I also met a lot of Americans there who share this sentiment on their country and are sad of the state of the things, just we were when Berlusconi was an important politcal leader

HN, on the other hand, can't change because there's only one HN and you can't make your own sub HN