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They announced a new expansion for Warcraft III this past weekend actually. So they are definitely still trying : )

This is pretty typical for a new blizzard game. For example Diablo 3 and 4 were both announced 4 years prior to release. Not saying it’s good or bad, but it’s not unusual.

Look I don't entirely disagree but if guys like dario want to not be called a liar, perhaps he should stop lying on a regular basis

What I meant more is that the dataset they scrape is openly available for download by anyone, unlike any of the frontier labs. Not that they don’t scrape copyrighted content. Still sketch, but at least they don’t call themselves “OpenLAION”.

Also my understanding was they’re not storing the actual music, but the metadata and a link to the YouTube video.

Why? Because you disagree with them? Would you rather it be an echo chamber?

LAION and Common Crawl both scraped copyrighted images. From what I can tell (I'm not an expert in this domain at all), the main difference between those two and frontier labs is in how they stored and used the data. CC and LAION seem to be actually open (unlike "Open"AI) and are more centered around publicly sharing the data they scrape to support research and innovation.

OpenAI et al also stole everything from everyone. But then they raised billions of dollars from that data and sell back their LLM to people (again, among other things). They are also very much NOT open in any way, aside from sharing their benchmarks of new models.

You're right, it was an over simplification. I think public exchange of data is great for innovation and research (Common Crawl/LAION). But I still think scraping proprietary data without consent or attribution is generally bad (also Common Crawl/LAION).

Then you have OpenAI etc.. who build these multi-billion (trillion??) dollar machines and sell them back to people, using everyone's proprietary data, and (among other things) tell everyone it's going to take their jobs. That combination of things doesn't scream integrity to me.

Still, it's undeniable that these machines could be beneficial for humanity (cancer research and such). So, I'm sure many people would say the good out-ways the bad. I don't know. Seems that would set a risky precedent for future companies, but maybe not.

And if they decide they are in charge of determining who gets this cancer cure and who doesn’t? Still good?

Maybe it is, idk, you may be right. But I think it’s something people should care about.

If they scraped internet data in the same way as current day frontier labs do, then I feel the same exact way about them. Why would I feel any different if that is the case?

The [lack of] integrity of OpenAI (and any other frontier lab) should already be pretty solidified. Among other horrible things, these companies stole millions of IPs and no one seems to care anymore. Regardless of what you think of the product they are making and the success of ai/its impact on humanity, these companies objectively do not have much integrity.

I think people very much should care about who ends up owning these solutions. The person or entity that controls things like that just has more power, which isn’t necessarily a good thing

What the op was pointing out is that guys like Altman and Dario are repeatedly saying they’re going to cure xyz diseases and solve xyz huge global problems. Maybe their companies will eventually do these things, but haven’t yet.

I don’t have an opinion either way, I think it’s too soon to tell if llms will be able to cure cancer or whatever. But at the very least it will be a good tool to help researchers do their jobs.

This isn’t really true for many programming tasks anymore. And as the saying goes, “this is the worse they will ever be”.

Kinda depressing cus that thing used to be coding (or mastery of), which seems to be dying/being replaced by gen ai.

Do you actually think a person using an llm is going to start curing diseases and solve the obesity epidemic (in America) in lieu of creating fun personal software projects?? Or as another commenter said solve climate change? Surely you don’t actually believe this right? Am I missing something?

Wow thank you this was actually very helpful for me in understanding why I’m feeling so demotivated by ai. Gaining knowledge, even if not immediately useful, to become a better overall developer was a huge part of why I enjoyed spending so much time building things in my free time. Now it seems pointless, because with ai, will that knowledge really make a difference? Probably not. Bummer, anyways I appreciate the comment.

What is a "real problem" to you?

That's fair, I guess I just enjoy the craft of building stuff rather than the outcome/product itself. Which I know I can still do, but for some reason just doesn't feel the same now. Hard to explain I guess.

You can play PvP in those games. Not really the same with developing software. In fact, not using ai would probably make you lose if there was some “software PvP” mode or development.

For some reason, I feel much less excited about creating things myself just knowing that ai can do it in 1/10th of the time. Even if I know it wouldn’t turn into a business or make me money. I don’t know why that is, but I was much more motivated to build anything (even things just for myself) before ai. Kinda depressing

Don’t worry I’m sure it’ll be in the training data soon enough…

Genuinely so confused about your last sentence, please explain…

Why do you think people that disagree with your opinion are gatekeepers? You can still use it if you want, no one’s gate keeping anything lol.

Quite possibly the worst take I’ve ever read on hacker news. “Things are generally bad now so the entire country should roll over and get fucked.” What are you even thinking dude? Maybe take a walk outside or something..

Would love to see a source for this, but I'm assuming you don't have one and are just spreading FUD due to your political beliefs...

Closest thing I could find was a little over 15,000 people in Europe who got myocarditis (also includes pericarditis: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10746454/). Out of millions (hundreds of millions?) that received the vaccine. Please stop doing what your doing. It's pretty shit.

> The older I get the more I realize ambition and "being ambitious" is a completely misplaced way to orient your life.

> Make decisions based on what you're passionate about, based on what will bring and keep meaningful relationships into your life, based on what will leave you with habits that take you outside, into the sun, moving your body and eating healthy, and, sure, that will afford you the ability to pay for those things.

Most people are ambitious about one or more of those things.

> Making decisions based on what will make you more "successful" will make you a slave to others approval

Again, many of the things you listed above will make people more "successful".

> Also, if you pick the right partner, having kids does all the good things in life at once. It is the most efficient way to get yourself into the good life possible.

This is a broad generalization that does not apply to everyone.

That was not my experience pre LLM's working with other software devs. I acknowledge that not everyone that writes software cares, but the majority of people I worked with pre-LLM did actually care that the software they wrote was bug free and well written before making a PR. With LLM's people seem to just get claude to vomit up whatever, give a quick review (if that) and press merge. Not sure if using LLM's made people care less, gave people an excuse to care less, or actually just don't care and were faking it before (or some combination of the above).

> So you trusted 22-year-old coffee junkies copying and pasting from stack overflow 10 years ago

Absolutely yes... The difference between those "22 year old coffee junkies" and some dude prompting an LLM is that the 22 year olds from 10 years ago still had to actually use their brains. They thought of the problem, came up with possible solutions, architecture, software stack, implementation etc... Some of this undoubtedly was copy/paste from stack overflow, but in that process: googled/researched things, read results from google (blog posts, stack overflow posts, maybe even books). And in that process they actually learned about software development and mastered the craft. That isn't a thing with vibe coding, LLM's don't "care" about the project/software they build. Most vibe coders don't even care.

I hate that I have to say this but inevitably people get mad if you don't: I'm not anti ai and LLM's are obviously useful in 2026. But I definitely have way more trust in software made the "old" way, by people who actually gave a shit, compared to software "written by" vibe coders.

Man everyone says every article/blog post that is on HN is written by an LLM. Almost every single post.. I actually didn't get strong AI vibes from this one but maybe I just am bad at recognizing. Sure it's a bit cringy but I think that's kinda the point? idk...i like the idea of keeping the culture of exploration of technology just for the sake of it (not to monetize everything) alive.

The dude had claude copy a repo bug for bug. Where is the "taste" and "creativity" in that?

> I fully support open-source, but I support way more the creativity and idea from individuals that can generate something new.

None of that happened here...